Author: Reynolds Takata
Date: 09:55:57 11/02/98
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>> >>Weakens? Chess master is a monster and the strongest combinatively. I'm a >>master(USCF 2249) and i own all of the top programs except tiger and mchess. CM >>has all other programs beat when it comes to the majority of combinations. CM >>is going to win the Komputer Kup tourney, on the Shep's Computer chess site it's >>won more tournaments run there than any other program. The only reason i think >>it didn't do as well in the Mclane's tourney i believe is do to some sort of >>hardware conflict there. This because he kept reporting CM crashing, when i >>have had CM a long time and never had a crash. CM is in the same category as >>far as strength is concerned as any of the top programs and stronger than the >>majority. The thing that is so good about chessmaster is that it's actually >>trying to win, ALL the other programs will gladly concede to a draw if you want >>one, but not chessmaster, it's motto is "OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!". Many people want >>to charge the programs with making positional mistakes, the master understands >>that positional weaknesses are a necessary part of the game if you really want >>to win. Chess is about give and take. The trick is to be the first to make use >>of the weaknesses and chessmaster seeks the initiative so hard it usually gets >>there first. > >I'm not sure I can argue with you, as you give only subjective reasons. Performances in tournaments are not subjective reasons. Further me being a master and having played almost all the top programs, is not a subjective reason either. > >You love ChessMaster's playing style, well, ok. > Chessmasters style is fun yes. >But if you take a look at the SSDF list >(http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-36794/ssdf/nr000.htm), you will see that CM5000 is >not in the top pack. > What you are overlooking, and i have posted here before is that chessmaster is a slow program, and it performs better on faster hardware, on a P90 it is not equal to other programs, CM needs at least a P233 to perform at it's best. Sometimes something that is also a slight hindrance(about 20 elo) is not chessmasters raw strength, but a non-optimized book. CM with fantastic play usually overcomes the probs of the book though. >It has been tested on Pentium 90. If you take the other programs running on P90 >(of course I don't want to compare programs on unequal hardware), you'll see >that there are 3 of them that are more than 50 elo points stronger. > >Even Hiarcs 4 and Rebel 7 (old programs) play better. No they do not play better, especially Hiarcs! I can draw that program a 100 times a day(no i'm not exagerating) the best strategy is to simply attempt a draw which i can get anytime i want, and hope that it makes a slip(I have a plus score vs Hiarcs). R8 and 9 are not as passive as Hiarcs but still a draw is inevitable. When i play these programs it's as if we are two best buddies in a tournament who have to play each other. These programs act like ok, "if you don't try anything i wont try anything", BOOM a draw. Themoment you try something(attempt to win) though usually boom you're dead :). > >And the list of programs tested on P90 does not even include the latest versions >of Fritz, Junior and Nimzo. > >So I would say that, yes, CM5000 is a good program, but, no, it is not the best. No one ever said it was the best overall, but combinatively yes it is the best > >You may be impressed by the combinations it finds, but even in combinations >there are better programs. Not unless it's J5, Tiger or R10. > >And if you want a very agressive opponent, maybe you'll love Chess System Tal. > > Agresiveness makes for more realistic chess, a common misconception is that attempting to keep making progs play better and better positional chess(usually meaning more defensive) makes their play more human like, but this is a falsehood, because such a strategy just leads to the master almost ALWAYS(85% at least GMs 100%) being able to obtain a draw. The master only loses to comps if he attempts to win instead of draw.
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