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Subject: Re: Question for Johan de Koning. - "Deadking" legality question

Author: Frank Phillips

Date: 02:03:30 09/08/03

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On September 08, 2003 at 03:42:58, Johan de Koning wrote:

>On September 07, 2003 at 18:08:14, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On September 07, 2003 at 17:17:31, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>
>>>On September 07, 2003 at 17:06:18, George Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 07, 2003 at 16:53:35, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 07, 2003 at 14:28:18, George Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 07, 2003 at 14:19:25, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 07, 2003 at 14:13:22, Afzal Siddique wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On September 07, 2003 at 13:29:38, George Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There was a very simple technique for using chessmaster in fritz renaming the
>>>>>>>>>king engine to deadking, anyone have a link to these instructions? I forgot how
>>>>>>>>>to do it and no longer have the link, thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hello.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>well i dont have its site but i have all the contents of deadking zipped.. soo
>>>>>>>>if u want it u jus gimme a mail at afzalsiddique@hotmail.com and i will reply
>>>>>>>>back with the zipped file
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Afzal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     We all should not support tools that are determined to crack
>>>>>>>     commercial software.
>>>>>>>     Kurt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Excuse me, I am a Registered Owner of CM9000.
>>>>>
>>>>>Even as a registered user, if you are using deadking, you are using illegal
>>>>>software which is  forbidden topic here based on the charter.  Period - end of
>>>>>story.  No more posts about deadking in this forum.  You may post deadking
>>>>>question  at r.g.c.c as that forum is unmoderated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael Byrne
>>>>>Moderator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I didn't know that deadking was illegal or pirated software, did you ever once
>>>>think that as a possiblility before you "Rushed to Judgement"
>>>>although frankly I don't feel guilty one bit I Paid my 30 dollars for the
>>>>product so you and whoever else can go to hell period!!
>>>
>>>Why such nerves? He didn't accuse you for something. He said only that
>>>discussions about pirated software is a forbidden topic in this forum.
>>>Although i disagree that deadking is something illegal. If you purchased
>>>CM9000 then i think it's legal to use deadking.
>>>Anyway we should define pirated/illegal software, because perhaps Mike's
>>>definition might be different from mine.
>>
>>My definition is quite simple.  If the software violates the licenisng
>>agreement, it is illegal.  I have read the UBI Soft licensing agreement and like
>>most agreements, distrubuting licensed modified code to others (registered or
>>not registered ) users is prohibited.  That is exactly what deadking is, it is a
>>distributution of modified code that was governed by the licensing agreement
>>which explicitly forbade that.
>>
>>But perhaps, I am wrong -- so I will pose the question to the author of the "The
>>King" and one of our esteemed members  of CCC, Johan de Koning, about the
>>legality of "deadking".
>>
>>Johan - are your views of the legality of the "deadking" - modified "the king"
>>engine code that allows the user to use the "The King" engine in the Fritz
>>enviroment without ever requiring the OPK code?
>
>Tough question. :-)
>What does your average lawyer think about the weight of Rook access to e5?
>And would their opinion matter?
>
>Even engine programmers don't care if it's 5 or 10, because it doesn't matter.
>Likewise, even lawyers don't care if OPK recipes or cracks are on the left or
>right side of some imaginary thin line. Unless they're told to make the line
>real and thick, by someone who feels his business is being threatened. That
>won't happen regarding Chessmaster, but nevertheless the ongoing battle between
>the recording industry and the music sharing crowd is something worth watching
>from the sideline.
>
>The bottom line is that my views on legality are none and void.
>
>My views on copy protection in general are simple: it annoys developpers and
>users, but management always decides in favor. IMHO a cool box, a nice manual,
>the feeling of the real thing, and a low price should be enough to preempt
>large scale piracy of software, or any mediaware.
>But that's just MHO, and I'd welcome any decent research on the subject. :-)
>
>... Johan


You have my respect, sir.

Frank

(I always imagined that most of those who pirate reasonably priced stuff would
not buy it anyway.  I wonder whether many of the individual priates use the
stuff they have anyway - maybe it is just like stamp collecting.).



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