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Subject: Re: Someone in this forum is selling email addresses (OT)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:57:42 09/11/03

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On September 10, 2003 at 21:52:02, margolies,marc wrote:

>did you view the headers of any otf this garbage to find the IP address of his
>server? I am sure you can do something about this.

The headers are trivial to forge.  They don't really get used by
anything.  I even get SPAM from _myself_ every now and then.


>
>
>On September 10, 2003 at 19:55:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 10, 2003 at 18:43:07, Peter Fendrich wrote:
>>
>>>On September 10, 2003 at 11:55:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 10, 2003 at 05:28:32, Peter Fendrich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think you all are as annoyed as I am about all this spam filling my inbox.
>>>>>I have used 3 different email adresses over time in this forum.
>>>>>The first email adress I used was "infected" from start.
>>>>>The second one was used here only and was never mentioned anywhere else until I
>>>>>begun to get spam.
>>>>>The third one has never been used anywhere else than in this forum and now I
>>>>>receive a considerable amount of spam.
>>>>>It is not possible to automatically find these adresses with spider technique
>>>>>because the forum is password protected - you have to sign up before reading it.
>>>>>The addresses must have been catched by someone in this forum - right?
>>>>>Maybe there is some mirror somewhere?
>>>>>Any similar experiences?
>>>>>
>>>>>/Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It most likely is _not_ a result of selling addresses.  web crawlers exist
>>>>that do nothing but grab email addresses.  When you send an email, it goes
>>>>thru many machines before reaching the destination.  Each machine has the
>>>>opportunity to read the headers and extract your email.
>>>>
>>>>Anytime you visit a web site and supply your email, you suffer the same
>>>>risk.
>>>
>>>Well, part of my spam is about selling email addresses so they are traded
>>>alright.
>>>Anyway your "trick" with servers was new to me. I had kind of innocent view
>>>about these servers...
>>>
>>>The crawling shouldn't work inside this forum at least without a membership but
>>>I've also learned in this thread that there are archives outside the forum.
>>>
>>>I only supply special "spam email" addresses if required but there is another
>>>real risk that we can't do anything about: Anyone putting your email address in
>>>the "Tell your friend about this site - fill in his email address here"-field is
>>>also sending you to spam hell.
>>>
>>>/Peter
>>
>>
>>For about 3 weeks I averaged about 50,000 email messages per day.  Some
>>idiot SPAMmer found the email address "majordomo@cis.uab.edu" and chose to
>>use that as his spoofed return address to avoid SPAM filters.  Unfortunately
>>for me, he had about 50,000 _bad_ email addresses.  His SPAM bounced.  Right
>>to me.  I had to learn about procmail to get that under control.  :)
>>
>>It is a serious problem.  It won't be long before we have some regulations
>>with teeth in them that make this extremely expensive for those that get
>>caught...



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