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Subject: Re: How strong is PF2 on a 400 Mhz Axim running PPC 2003 ?

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 04:10:28 09/22/03

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On September 22, 2003 at 02:50:59, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:

>On September 21, 2003 at 19:54:12, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>Current SDDF ratings
>>
>>  Program/Computer Rating
>>1 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2810
>>2 Shredder 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2770
>>3 Fritz 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2762
>>4 Deep Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2761
>>5 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2742
>>6 Shredder 6.0 Pad UCI 256MB Athlon 1200  2724
>>7 Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2721
>>8 Chess Tiger 15.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2720
>>9 Shredder 7.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2717
>>9 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200  2717
>>
>>Based on everything I have looked at (analysis of positions etc), PF 2 is more
>>akin to Shredder 7 and not Shredder 7.04.   On a Dell Axim running at 400 Mhz,
>>it appears to be about 12=15x slower than a P4 1.7 Ghz which runs pretty close
>>to a P3 1.2Ghz.
>>
>>If one assumes for the moment that doubling of speed is worth 50 points (which
>>is high IMO - I think it's closer to 35-40 points at the high end) - then we can
>>work backwards.  For simplicity. let's just say an Axim is 16X slower than 1,2
>>Ghz (it's not - but this make the numbers easier to work with).
>>
>>16x = 2^4.  So we take 50 x 4= 200 points - so in the case PF2 on a Dell Axim
>>running Mobile 2003 is equal to 2570 to SSDF conservatively.  This over 200
>>points higher than any estimate for any program running on the Palm Tungsten and
>>clearly ahead of any dedidicated unit..  This clearly in IM range and maybe even
>>weak GM level.  A 206 Mhz ARM would be about 100 points less than this or 2400
>>SSDF under this scenario.  IMO, it is only about 70 points less.
>
>Have you looked at the ply, this is if you manage to set the programs up so it
>is comparable.

yes that 's is exatly what i was doing -- looking at ply and solution times
..although it is not always easy to get compable results


>There exist some data for how much a ply is worth. Eg. the Belle test was (from
>memory) around 200 elo/ply and a newer from Heinz nearer 100 elo/ply.

But they also there are diminishing returns ...e.g. going from 4 ply to 5 ply is
huge ..going from 14 to 15 ply is not as beneficial


>
>I have my doupt when calculating elo with doubling the speed when the gap is too
>big. Eg. Playing PocketGrandmaster at 1min/game should be 7*70 of a two
>hour/game. Well I don't know the strenght at 2 hour but at 1 min it is around
>1000 or less when looking at the game (of course subjective).
>
>Odd Gunnar



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