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Subject: Re: Testresults WAC, LCT II, WM (K)

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 02:51:40 09/29/03

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On September 29, 2003 at 05:04:07, Mike S. wrote:

>On September 29, 2003 at 03:35:00, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On September 28, 2003 at 21:48:42, Mike S. wrote:
>>
>>>(...)
>>>1 extra ply only will produce results including "wrong" solutions, i.e. when an
>>>engine decides for the correct move after 4 plies, keep it during the 5th, but
>>>switches back to a wrong move i.e. from ply 6 to 9, eventually coming back at
>>>ply 10 after 17 seconds... (or may be never again withing 60 secs!). - It's
>>>better to limit the time only, and set extra ply to 99. By that, only solutions
>>>should be counted which are kept until the testing time limit.
>>
>>Then again it does not mean the engine keeps the move beyond 60 secs.
>>Important for interactive analysis is IMO to be informed quickly when there
>>exists an unobvious tactical possibility.
>
>An engine can calculate 7+ plies within *one* single second. Test results where
>the correct move quickly shows up between i.e. ply 4 and 6 (and maybe never
>again), are meaningless. The probability that a correct move is lost after 1
>minute, is *much* smaller than after 1 or even 10 seconds.

I think I made it clear enough that my test was intended to find the best
engines for interactive Analysis ONLY.
So when the move quickly shows up I see it in the engine windows pane.
After that I can check myself whether the move is good or not.

I never trust the engines output anyway.
Important is only to not miss a deep tactical possibility.

>
>Check your results for it, to see how many wrong quick solutions they include.
>
>Your'e jsut wasting time when using 1 extra ply only. Many test positions are
>not good enough to guarantee "stable" results. - But it's your decision of
>course. Good that you mentioned it, so all the experienced people know that they
>can skip your results...
>
>(I guess CCC is not the place where such advice makes sense anymore :-))

I can do without your advice.

because
>either people know it already anyway, and the others will insist on their wrong
>methods. The level of this group is incredibly sinking...)

Of course you know the right methods to determine which engine to use for a
certain position. :-)

Michael

>
>Thanks and good bye,
>M.Scheidl




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