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Subject: Re: M-Chess Pro 8 stronger than Rebel 10 (vs humans) ???

Author: Reynolds Takata

Date: 12:55:53 11/06/98

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On November 06, 1998 at 13:03:17, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>The following is a direct quote from the M-Chess Pro 8 review by Komputer Korner
>(see Computer Chess Reports page):
>"The reason to buy M-Chess Pro 8 is to obtain the strongest chess playing
>program against humans. Of course Rebel 10 (with it's strength against humans
>being almost on a par with M-Chess Pro 8 and with many more features) gets the
>nod but again if you want the absolute strongest then M-Chess Pro 8 is for you."
>
>Does Komputer Korner know something I don't?  Or is this a classic case of a
>completely arbitrary opinion being presented as if it were a cast in stone fact?
>
>
>Peter

Well unfortunately no one will give me Mchess 8.1, and i'm tired of being one
upped every time i buy a program so i think i will be content with having
Junior5 and Rebel 10.  Though i think it is a bit remiss for KK to say this
program is better against humans than the other top programs.  Especially when
one considers style, as i said any strong player can draw any program any time
they like.  Though Genius 5 might get a win because it might bore you until you
fell asleep and lose on time.  Point being different styles are better against
different opponents.  He might want to say it is the best against the "majority"
of GM's.  Though i doubt he would have any empirical data(sig # games against
masters+) to support such a claim(at least at this juncture).

I prefer to say that comps are GM strength against opponents who play to win,
but they are not GM strength playing against people who play for a draw.  This
is because frequently a strong player will make a WEAKER move, because playing
the weaker move often complicates the game especially against weaker opponents
and avoids the draw. A computer can't know when to make such a weaker move
because it isn't logical and because the computer does not know the opponent is
not a GM.   If it knew the opponent was not a GM then it could player weaker
moves to avoid a draw situation.



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