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Subject: Re: M-Chess Pro 8 stronger than Rebel 10 (vs humans) ???

Author: blass uri

Date: 13:28:04 11/06/98

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On November 06, 1998 at 15:55:53, Reynolds Takata wrote:

>On November 06, 1998 at 13:03:17, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>
>>The following is a direct quote from the M-Chess Pro 8 review by Komputer Korner
>>(see Computer Chess Reports page):
>>"The reason to buy M-Chess Pro 8 is to obtain the strongest chess playing
>>program against humans. Of course Rebel 10 (with it's strength against humans
>>being almost on a par with M-Chess Pro 8 and with many more features) gets the
>>nod but again if you want the absolute strongest then M-Chess Pro 8 is for you."
>>
>>Does Komputer Korner know something I don't?  Or is this a classic case of a
>>completely arbitrary opinion being presented as if it were a cast in stone fact?
>>
>>
>>Peter
>
>Well unfortunately no one will give me Mchess 8.1, and i'm tired of being one
>upped every time i buy a program so i think i will be content with having
>Junior5 and Rebel 10.  Though i think it is a bit remiss for KK to say this
>program is better against humans than the other top programs.  Especially when
>one considers style, as i said any strong player can draw any program any time
>they like.  Though Genius 5 might get a win because it might bore you until you
>fell asleep and lose on time.  Point being different styles are better against
>different opponents.  He might want to say it is the best against the "majority"
>of GM's.  Though i doubt he would have any empirical data(sig # games against
>masters+) to support such a claim(at least at this juncture).
>
>I prefer to say that comps are GM strength against opponents who play to win,
>but they are not GM strength playing against people who play for a draw.

I see that sometimes in comp-comp games that computers do mistakes in the
endgame and manage to lose a dead draw positions so it may be a good strategy to
play a boring game against programs and hope that the program will do a mistake
in the endgame.



  This
>is because frequently a strong player will make a WEAKER move, because playing
>the weaker move often complicates the game especially against weaker opponents
>and avoids the draw.

I am interested to know if frequently strong players make a weak move for this
purpose.

I think that usually strong players do not need to do a weak move for winning
weak players.

Uri





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