Author: Mark Young
Date: 22:10:35 11/06/98
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On November 07, 1998 at 00:38:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 06, 1998 at 21:45:38, Mark Young wrote: > >>On November 06, 1998 at 20:51:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 1998 at 19:21:51, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On November 06, 1998 at 18:36:15, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>On November 05, 1998 at 19:34:38, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I had a strong feeling this is what would happen. I would just mark this as one >>>>>>more vote for a Grandmaster that thinks top computer programs play at a GM >>>>>>level. >>>>> >>>>>As the author of the program in question, this would not be my first guess as to >>>>>what is going on in Morovic's mind. >>>>> >>>>>Sometimes you will be asked to do something by someone who is more enthusiastic >>>>>than you are, and between when you reluctanbly say yes and when the thing >>>>>actually happens, you come to realize the amount of work that you really agreed >>>>>to do, >>>> >>>>If you are saying with this statement that GM Morovic would not be able to play >>>>Ferret cold, and most likely win, that is what I am saying. I also think it >>>>would take more work then what GM Morovic wanted to do to get ready for Ferret >>>>and have good chances of winning, because I think, GM Morovic thinks Ferret most >>>>likely plays at a GM level. >>>> >>>>If GM Morovic thinks he could of just gone online and played Ferret and won, >>>>without much prep, I think the match would have been played. >>>> >>>>It has been my findings playing GM's with computers, that the love to play you >>>>when they think they can win easy, but when they find this not to be so, they >>>>avoid you like the plague. >>> >>> >>>this is grossly inaccurate and sort of insulting to GM players. Check on ICC >>>with some well-known GM players vs Crafty... ie Roman vs Crafty, or log on to >>>chess.net and check out Christiansen vs crafty (he maybe wins one of every 10 >>>games on a real good day)... yet he plays and plays and plays... I once watched >>>Roman play over 100 straight games winning maybe one of every 10. Ditto for >>>GM Lombardy, Dlugy, etc... >>> >>>I don't think they run and hide at all... >> >>Why don't you ask GM Roman, if some GM don't run and hide. I had to get GM Roman >>to award Chessgenius 5 a win in a game of a match I played with GM A. Ivanov on >>Chess Net. >> >>GM A. Ivanov ask me if he could play a match with Genius 5 at standard time >>controls. I agreed and after a few games Genius 5 was winning big in the match. >>In the last game GM A. Ivanov played with Genius 5, Genius 5 had a huge >>advantage, and was going to win easy. >> >>Then this Chess Pro GM A. Ivanov, instead of just resigning the game and saying >>I do not wish to play anymore, instead took the low road and just logged off, >>and would not finish the game, or reply to my messages, or stay logged on when I >>showed up online. >> >>I have other such examples when playing Grandmasters, but this one can be backed >>up by another GM that you know. >> >>I am not being insulting to Grandmasters, just relaying my true experiences when >>playing many of them. >> >>I wish this was not so, but I have seen this happen to many times with to many >>Grandmasters. This is why I was able to predict what would happen with the GM >>Morovic Vs Ferret Match. >> >>Experience is a good teacher. >> > >I don't know A. Ivanov very well... so I can't comment... but that is only >one example... On the other side, I'd offer the following GM's that have >played *hundreds* of games against crafty, losing way more than they win: Ok, I will tell you the GM I have had problems with that are on your list and the ones I have had no trouble with, that I remember off hand from your list. Some names I do not know, because they play under a different handle, so I can not comment, but there are others. Roman D, no problems. Maxim Dlugy, refused to play anymore games after 5 losses in a row. Larry Christiansen, quit an off hand game played on chess net because he was losing the game. Have not played him since. Bill Lombardy, Yasser Sierawan, >Gadi Rechlis, Rune Djurhuus, Pavel Blatny, Dmitry Gurevich, Harry Shussler, Alexander Shabalov, also quit game because he was losing and would not resume, have not played him since. , Babuli Annakov, Gabriel Schwartzman, Ram Soffer, Efstratios >Grivas, Boris Gulko, Peter Nielsen, Helgi Olafsson, Ron Henley, Ivor Novikov, >Ilya Gurevich, Gregory Kaidanov, refused to play anymore after 4 losses in a row. Michael Rohde, no problems. Einar Gausel, no problems , Loek Van Wely, >Sergey Kudrin, Alexei Shirov, refused to play anymore after 1 draw. , Yehuda Gruenfeld, Igor-Alexandre Nataf, Philipp >Schlosser, Lev Psakhis, Pablo Ricardi, Michael Rohde, Gregory Serper, Hannes >Stefansson, Tal Shaked, Alex Yermolinsky.. IE you get the idea... *all* the >GM's don't run and hide... They do tend to play the "automatic" programs much >more frequently than manual programs, because they prefer faster time controls >to keep their games out of the database on the servers... > >But I've had very few problems with them running and hiding. I've had more >"problems" with them playing non-stop for hours, with roman holding the record >at over 12 hours non-stop, playing way over 100 games in a marathon a couple of >years ago... > > > >> >> >> in fact they seem to relish playing >>>the programs that give 'em the most fits... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>and your enthusiasm reduces further, while the enthusiasm of the person >>>>>who convinced you to do the thing increases, because they also come to realize >>>>>how much you've agreed to do for them. >>>>> >>>>>bruce
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