Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:38:10 11/06/98
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On November 06, 1998 at 21:45:38, Mark Young wrote: >On November 06, 1998 at 20:51:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 06, 1998 at 19:21:51, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 1998 at 18:36:15, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On November 05, 1998 at 19:34:38, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>I had a strong feeling this is what would happen. I would just mark this as one >>>>>more vote for a Grandmaster that thinks top computer programs play at a GM >>>>>level. >>>> >>>>As the author of the program in question, this would not be my first guess as to >>>>what is going on in Morovic's mind. >>>> >>>>Sometimes you will be asked to do something by someone who is more enthusiastic >>>>than you are, and between when you reluctanbly say yes and when the thing >>>>actually happens, you come to realize the amount of work that you really agreed >>>>to do, >>> >>>If you are saying with this statement that GM Morovic would not be able to play >>>Ferret cold, and most likely win, that is what I am saying. I also think it >>>would take more work then what GM Morovic wanted to do to get ready for Ferret >>>and have good chances of winning, because I think, GM Morovic thinks Ferret most >>>likely plays at a GM level. >>> >>>If GM Morovic thinks he could of just gone online and played Ferret and won, >>>without much prep, I think the match would have been played. >>> >>>It has been my findings playing GM's with computers, that the love to play you >>>when they think they can win easy, but when they find this not to be so, they >>>avoid you like the plague. >> >> >>this is grossly inaccurate and sort of insulting to GM players. Check on ICC >>with some well-known GM players vs Crafty... ie Roman vs Crafty, or log on to >>chess.net and check out Christiansen vs crafty (he maybe wins one of every 10 >>games on a real good day)... yet he plays and plays and plays... I once watched >>Roman play over 100 straight games winning maybe one of every 10. Ditto for >>GM Lombardy, Dlugy, etc... >> >>I don't think they run and hide at all... > >Why don't you ask GM Roman, if some GM don't run and hide. I had to get GM Roman >to award Chessgenius 5 a win in a game of a match I played with GM A. Ivanov on >Chess Net. > >GM A. Ivanov ask me if he could play a match with Genius 5 at standard time >controls. I agreed and after a few games Genius 5 was winning big in the match. >In the last game GM A. Ivanov played with Genius 5, Genius 5 had a huge >advantage, and was going to win easy. > >Then this Chess Pro GM A. Ivanov, instead of just resigning the game and saying >I do not wish to play anymore, instead took the low road and just logged off, >and would not finish the game, or reply to my messages, or stay logged on when I >showed up online. > >I have other such examples when playing Grandmasters, but this one can be backed >up by another GM that you know. > >I am not being insulting to Grandmasters, just relaying my true experiences when >playing many of them. > >I wish this was not so, but I have seen this happen to many times with to many >Grandmasters. This is why I was able to predict what would happen with the GM >Morovic Vs Ferret Match. > >Experience is a good teacher. > I don't know A. Ivanov very well... so I can't comment... but that is only one example... On the other side, I'd offer the following GM's that have played *hundreds* of games against crafty, losing way more than they win: Roman D, Maxim Dlugy, Larry Christiansen, Bill Lombardy, Yasser Sierawan, Gadi Rechlis, Rune Djurhuus, Pavel Blatny, Dmitry Gurevich, Harry Shussler, Alexander Shabalov, Babuli Annakov, Gabriel Schwartzman, Ram Soffer, Efstratios Grivas, Boris Gulko, Peter Nielsen, Helgi Olafsson, Ron Henley, Ivor Novikov, Ilya Gurevich, Gregory Kaidanov, Michael Rohde, Einar Gausel, Loek Van Wely, Sergey Kudrin, Alexei Shirov, Yehuda Gruenfeld, Igor-Alexandre Nataf, Philipp Schlosser, Lev Psakhis, Pablo Ricardi, Michael Rohde, Gregory Serper, Hannes Stefansson, Tal Shaked, Alex Yermolinsky.. IE you get the idea... *all* the GM's don't run and hide... They do tend to play the "automatic" programs much more frequently than manual programs, because they prefer faster time controls to keep their games out of the database on the servers... But I've had very few problems with them running and hiding. I've had more "problems" with them playing non-stop for hours, with roman holding the record at over 12 hours non-stop, playing way over 100 games in a marathon a couple of years ago... > > > in fact they seem to relish playing >>the programs that give 'em the most fits... >> >> >> >> >>> >>>and your enthusiasm reduces further, while the enthusiasm of the person >>>>who convinced you to do the thing increases, because they also come to realize >>>>how much you've agreed to do for them. >>>> >>>>bruce
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