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Subject: Re: Morovic - Ferret match?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 18:45:38 11/06/98

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On November 06, 1998 at 20:51:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 06, 1998 at 19:21:51, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On November 06, 1998 at 18:36:15, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On November 05, 1998 at 19:34:38, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>I had a strong feeling this is what would happen. I would just mark this as one
>>>>more vote for a Grandmaster that thinks top computer programs play at a GM
>>>>level.
>>>
>>>As the author of the program in question, this would not be my first guess as to
>>>what is going on in Morovic's mind.
>>>
>>>Sometimes you will be asked to do something by someone who is more enthusiastic
>>>than you are, and between when you reluctanbly say yes and when the thing
>>>actually happens, you come to realize the amount of work that you really agreed
>>>to do,
>>
>>If you are saying with this statement that GM Morovic would not be able to play
>>Ferret cold, and most likely win, that is what I am saying. I also think it
>>would take more work then what GM Morovic wanted to do to get ready for Ferret
>>and have good chances of winning, because I think, GM Morovic thinks Ferret most
>>likely plays at a GM level.
>>
>>If GM Morovic thinks he could of just gone online and played Ferret and won,
>>without much prep, I think the match would have been played.
>>
>>It has been my findings playing GM's with computers, that the love to play you
>>when they think they can win easy, but when they find this not to be so, they
>>avoid you like the plague.
>
>
>this is grossly inaccurate and sort of insulting to GM players.  Check on ICC
>with some well-known GM players vs Crafty... ie Roman vs Crafty, or log on to
>chess.net and check out Christiansen vs crafty (he maybe wins one of every 10
>games on a real good day)... yet he plays and plays and plays...  I once watched
>Roman play over 100 straight games winning maybe one of every 10.  Ditto for
>GM Lombardy, Dlugy, etc...
>
>I don't think they run and hide at all...

Why don't you ask GM Roman, if some GM don't run and hide. I had to get GM Roman
to award Chessgenius 5 a win in a game of a match I played with GM A. Ivanov on
Chess Net.

GM A. Ivanov ask me if he could play a match with Genius 5 at standard time
controls. I agreed and after a few games Genius 5 was winning big in the match.
In the last game GM A. Ivanov played with Genius 5, Genius 5 had a huge
advantage, and was going to win easy.

Then this Chess Pro GM A. Ivanov, instead of just resigning the game and saying
I do not wish to play anymore, instead took the low road and just logged off,
and would not finish the game, or reply to my messages, or stay logged on when I
showed up online.

I have other such examples when playing Grandmasters, but this one can be backed
up by another GM that you know.

I am not being insulting to Grandmasters, just relaying my true experiences when
playing many of them.

I wish this was not so, but I have seen this happen to many times with to many
Grandmasters. This is why I was able to predict what would happen with the GM
Morovic Vs Ferret Match.

Experience is a good teacher.



 in fact they seem to relish playing
>the programs that give 'em the most fits...
>
>
>
>
>>
>>and your enthusiasm reduces further, while the enthusiasm of the person
>>>who convinced you to do the thing increases, because they also come to realize
>>>how much you've agreed to do for them.
>>>
>>>bruce



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