Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:40:32 11/08/98
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On November 08, 1998 at 12:36:54, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >On November 08, 1998 at 06:09:41, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>>It was never my intent to discuss any of this here. >> >>Sure, snip everything you dislike. >> >>>I would like to ask why members of the founder's group are even now telling >>>Chris that he was never banned from CCC, and chose to leave of his own accord. >> >>Sure, change the topic. >> >>>That bothers me, and I think it is reasonable that I call that into question. >> >>I know that bothers you. I didn't flame you for that! >> >>It's the *way* you did it, not the fact that you did. >> >>As a result of that 3 members (and founders of CCC) left yesterday. >> >>- Ed - >> >>PS, you may have the last word in this case as I am going to enjoy the >>rest of my Sunday. >> >> >>>bruce > >Note the hour at which I wrote the thing. That's because I'd spent some huge >amount of time trying to respond rationally to what you actually did write. I >didn't like what I'd written and I ran out of gas. > >What caused me to write my post in r.g.c.c. the one that someone felt was >necessary to bring into here, was that I didn't like that someone was being >bashed unfairly. I figured that if I could ask you to explain why the founders >have denied for like eight months that this guy is even banned, that I could at >least have something positive to look at today. > >Nobody wants to hear this stuff so I am trying to wind down. I probably lost >credibility with a lot of people over this. But if nobody pounds Chris with >that "you weren't banned, you left" line again, I'll consider that I did at >least some good. > >bruce here's my take on this whole mess. Chris *did* exit on his own. He asked for his password to be removed. We (the group of founders) had a bunch of discussions about this but chose to not take that action. A while later, Chris rewrote (or tried to rewrite) history claiming it was "us" that kicked Rolf out. When he started the insistent request. Several became angry about this and at that point, told Steve to remove his password. So Bruce is both right *and* wrong here. In the sense that Chris did choose to leave... but when someone chooses to leave they can always come back if they want... Later Chris's password was removed, and for truly personal reasons, and I was right in the middle of the discussion as everyone knows. I thought he behaved badly about the remarks he made in r.g.c.c, and I reacted as did the others and said "enough!"... but as Bruce said, it was *clearly* personal, because he certainly wasn't posting in CCC at the time... It was a bad decision. Just like this nonsense about getting upset at a moderator here for what he says over "there". And his remark in r.g.c.c was a long way from "a violent personal attack"... just "this is bullshit." he has a point. As did we when we chose to delete Chris's password. As in the original Rolf case. Right decision. Wrong reason. And perhaps not total honesty after it was done as to "why/how" it was done... The above reflects my recollection of events... others may disagree of course...
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