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Subject: Re: About leaving.... chris

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 15:00:21 11/08/98

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On November 08, 1998 at 14:40:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>So Bruce is both right *and* wrong here.  In the sense that Chris did choose
>to leave...  but when someone chooses to leave they can always come back if
>they want...

the question for ME is, would it make this place a better place.
IMO (as I can live with ALL kind of people, no matter who and how they are)
it would make this place more interesting.

>Later Chris's password was removed, and for truly personal
>reasons, and I was right in the middle of the discussion as everyone knows.
>I thought he behaved badly about the remarks he made in r.g.c.c, and I reacted
>as did the others and said "enough!"...  but as Bruce said, it was *clearly*
>personal, because he certainly wasn't posting in CCC at the time...

right.

>It was a bad decision.


right. the decision was maybe shit.
but we are not robots. we are not machines.
and this is what i like, as you can guess :-)))
feelings, emotions, that is what makes us different than computers.
without them, we were unable to love and enjoy computerchess.
but our life is not yet over. we can try to repair anything.
human souls are IMO very fragile.
and if they are once broken, it is very difficult to say: sorry.
or forgive me.
i have done wrong.

but on the other hand, this is what makes us human beeings something different
than insects. we can behave different than our reptile brain forces us to
behave.

> Just like this nonsense about getting upset at a
>moderator here for what he says over "there".  And his remark in r.g.c.c
>was a long way from "a violent personal attack"... just "this is bullshit."

exactly.
maybe we can try to live in peace without putting our ideals so high.
and this is mainly directed to myself :-)))
for me, ideals are very important. my whole life i tried to go my way.
not to be exploited. and not to misuse other persons. of course you fail.
and other people don't understand you. anything is relative. but
on the other hand i have made many experiences. and the most interesting
experience is to refute prejudices and to see a friend in a person you once
hated, and later learned to accept or even to respect.
this is what makes life rich IMO. this is about growing and emotions. exactly
what the star trek spirit talks about in almost any episode.
it is about kirk and spock and mc_coy. sometimes people meet each other, and
they have prejudices: ough - this worf is really a barbarian shit.
but later you learn to like worf. and suddenly he is a nice guy.
i am sure we will grow. and accept that our point of view is subjective and
that our life is too short to ignore people within our hobby-area.
as i said, as much as I always fight against fred e.g., we do behave normal when
we meet us in public somewhere. because i am not fighting HIM, but his point of
views. not HE as a person is my enemy, but the values he has or lives.


>he has a point.  As did we when we chose to delete Chris's password.  As in
>the original Rolf case.  Right decision.  Wrong reason.  And perhaps not
>total honesty after it was done as to "why/how" it was done...

>The above reflects my recollection of events...  others may disagree of
>course...

no - it comes close to my own recollection.



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