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Subject: Re: Diep-Rebel final move a2 draw

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:15:23 10/21/03

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On October 21, 2003 at 09:59:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 20, 2003 at 21:41:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On October 20, 2003 at 19:21:52, Theo van der Storm wrote:
>>
>>That's great.
>>
>>So if i disagree with any move of DIEP in the future i simply do not make it at
>>the board and it can search on for an alternative until i like one and play it
>>over the board.
>>
>>For example i disagreed bigtime with Bxf4 against Rebel.
>>
>>Nice to know that your interpretation is the opposite of the ICGA at the world
>>champs as it allows the operator more now to influence the game by simply
>>disagreeing with a move.
>>
>>All i have to do now is make a small window choice: "did you execute the move on
>>the board?"
>>
>>If the answer is: "no i didn't execute it".
>
>
>I don't see any of this in his comment nor in the rules.  Your opponent
>offers a draw, you can accept or decline.  If your program displays a
>move and says "play this" you have two choices.  (1) play the move which
>the program displayed;  (2) accept the pending draw offer or offer a draw.
>
>Offering/accepting ought to be taken out of the operator's hands.  My program
>offers and accepts all by itself.  _all_ programs should do this, else they
>can't play legal chess.

They can play legal chess even without offering and accepting draws.
If you do not offer draw and ignore draw offers the game continues and you did
nothing against the rules.

You can say that the operators should not be allowed to accept a draw for the
program or to offer a draw but this is something that the operaters do and not
the program and I think that in almost all the cases it does not change the
result.

My opinion is that in the relevant case the last move was of Diep because I see
it as a game of the programs that was adjudicated by the operators.

I understand that other people see it in a different way and see it as a game
between the operators when the operators are forced by the rules to play the
moves of the program but have also the right to offer a draw or to accept a draw
of the opponent and not to play the move of the program in case that the
decision is logical(they may not be allowed to do it when a win without big bugs
is possible).

Uri



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