Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:58:15 10/21/03
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On October 21, 2003 at 10:15:23, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 21, 2003 at 09:59:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 20, 2003 at 21:41:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On October 20, 2003 at 19:21:52, Theo van der Storm wrote: >>> >>>That's great. >>> >>>So if i disagree with any move of DIEP in the future i simply do not make it at >>>the board and it can search on for an alternative until i like one and play it >>>over the board. >>> >>>For example i disagreed bigtime with Bxf4 against Rebel. >>> >>>Nice to know that your interpretation is the opposite of the ICGA at the world >>>champs as it allows the operator more now to influence the game by simply >>>disagreeing with a move. >>> >>>All i have to do now is make a small window choice: "did you execute the move on >>>the board?" >>> >>>If the answer is: "no i didn't execute it". >> >> >>I don't see any of this in his comment nor in the rules. Your opponent >>offers a draw, you can accept or decline. If your program displays a >>move and says "play this" you have two choices. (1) play the move which >>the program displayed; (2) accept the pending draw offer or offer a draw. >> >>Offering/accepting ought to be taken out of the operator's hands. My program >>offers and accepts all by itself. _all_ programs should do this, else they >>can't play legal chess. > >They can play legal chess even without offering and accepting draws. >If you do not offer draw and ignore draw offers the game continues and you did >nothing against the rules. I clarified that elsewhere. It must be able to handle the offer, even if it always says "draw declined". It doesn't have to offer a draw, but if the program can't, the operator should not be allowed to be a proxy. > >You can say that the operators should not be allowed to accept a draw for the >program or to offer a draw but this is something that the operaters do and not >the program and I think that in almost all the cases it does not change the >result. However, the _player_ has to accept the draw. In a game, if I am offered a draw, I can't get up and go consult with someone before accepting or declining the offer. Computer rules are the same. IE in USCF rules I can't do _anything_ on behalf of the program except make moves and enter moves and respond to questions about "how much time is left on my clock and how many moves until the next time control?" > >My opinion is that in the relevant case the last move was of Diep because I see >it as a game of the programs that was adjudicated by the operators. > >I understand that other people see it in a different way and see it as a game >between the operators when the operators are forced by the rules to play the >moves of the program but have also the right to offer a draw or to accept a draw >of the opponent and not to play the move of the program in case that the >decision is logical(they may not be allowed to do it when a win without big bugs >is possible). > >Uri
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