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Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The 2004 North American CC Championship

Author: Peter Kappler

Date: 09:25:17 11/05/03

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On November 05, 2003 at 04:17:06, Steven Edwards wrote:

>On November 05, 2003 at 00:03:06, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>On November 04, 2003 at 19:24:25, Steven Edwards wrote:
>>>On November 04, 2003 at 18:47:02, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>>>Are you aware of the CCT tournaments that have been played on ICC?  We've had 5
>>>>of these since 2000, with increasingly good turnouts each year.  The last event
>>>>had 45 entries.
>>>
>>>Yes.  But not everyone has an ICC membership.  They are not free.  I want this
>>>to be a free event without any commercial interests upon the part of the
>>>organizer.  The entrants will be playing solely for their own benefit, not for
>>>spectators who've paid an organizer who in turn does not pay the entrants.
>
>I note that there is no suitable reply to this concern.
>

My "suitable reply" is that I think it's a non-issue, given that they have
provided free accounts to CCT participants.  But FICS seems like a fine
alternative.  This same debate came up before CCT1, and the consensus was to
play on ICC because that's the server most of the authors use on a daily basis.


>>>>1) Why limit participation to 24 programs?  I think it's much better to take as
>>>>many entries as possible, even if it means playing a Swiss instead of a
>>>>round-robin.
>>>
>>>A round robin event produces a much clearer picture of the relative playing
>>>strengths of the entrants.  The limit of 24 entrants should be sufficient to
>>>cover all the active authors with a few slots in reserve.
>>
>>Really?  How did you determine this?  Be careful when making assumptions.
>
>I suppose in part it depends on the definition of "activity".  Note that I said
>active authors, not active programs.
>
>>> All of the great human tounaments have been round robins.
>>
>>That won't be much consolation to author #25.
>
>And if the limit were 1,000, it would be no consolation to author #1,001.  A
>line has to be drawn somewhere, just as a line is drawn for human tournaments of
>fixed size.

Since you're excluding the rest of the world, 24 will probably be more than
enough.  Actually, you'll be lucky to get half that.  Only 11 of 45 CCT5 entries
were from North America.

<snip>
>>
>>So entry is restricted to programs authored in North America?  If so, that's a
>>shame.  It will seriously weaken the event.
>
>Some may take your last comment as an insult while others will take it as a
>challenge.

It's a statement of fact, nothing more.  Anyone who has seen recent SSDF or
Winboard rating lists will agree.

-Peter



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