Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 15:21:42 11/22/03
Go up one level in this thread
On November 22, 2003 at 17:29:16, Francesco Di Tolla wrote: >On November 21, 2003 at 05:08:48, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>>No you compare the evaluation of the computer in two positions: in one of the >>>two, the closed one, the computer gives a better evaluation becaus it does not >>>understand the position, trusting this is the mistake. >> >>Interesting, how do you know? > >cause it happens I have an engine too, and I can easely see your main line is >the main line of all the engines I have tested, but I'm sire you have tested >your main line and all what could follow by the sidelines, that were not quoted, >by yourself... > >>Any GM will tell you this position (after Re1) is +-. > >could be, I guess you're not one: so how do you know? I have studied quite a few GM-annotated GM games. > >>The problem is that _you_ do not understand how bad this position really is. > >I understand the position is bad, I guess you don't wat to listen: I simply said >may be it was an option to "admit black is worse and take the pawn", instead of >getting into a locked position and shuffling pieces with no plan. A top program simply can not play in such a position 9...cxb5. It was _not_ an option. Btw, I guess it was a book move since it is in the Fritz8.ctg opening book (might be wrong). > >>You said black can play Bd7 followed by Nc6. This is obviously wrong. > >Again I said it was an option: > >>It fails tactically. > >it does not necessrely fail tactically, depends on white move, since I did no >make any assumption on white move how can you say it fails? You assume your main >line is the truth? Yes > >>Show me how you want to proceed after Re1. > >Ok I admit on Re1 Bd7 does not work, but there are other options Be6, Bf5, Bg4, >h6 and others, I'm pretty sure now you can start your engine and show me white >is better. >There also other option to give a pawn inbetween and get a position one pawn >down not as bad as what fritz got in few moves. But we are in a to long story of >if and if > >What you fail to understand is that your engine will continue to miss the key >point: Qc7 is bad as well and may be even worse I don't understand in the first place why you constantly insist on that I fail to understand something. Qc7 is not bad relative to the other moves. How should Fritz know that it is not able to play the position after 10...e4 correct? This position was an exception,not a common position at all. Michael > >>>I simply don't think so: I think Fritz has much more pratical chances in this >>>position than in the line it played. >> >>A Computer does not know about practical chances. >>How should he? > >that's another point. The fact Fritz it does not understand why it did lost does >not make the loss less good.
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.