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Subject: Re: Where did Fritz go wrong? (NT)

Author: Francesco Di Tolla

Date: 05:03:00 11/24/03

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>I have studied quite a few GM-annotated GM games.

I did myself the same, I even played in international tournaments with GMs but,
I don't pretend to talk for the GMs.

>A top program simply can not play in such a position 9...cxb5.

Then the prorgam is limited and doomed to loose such positions, which are quite
rare.

>It was _not_ an option.

>Btw, I guess it was a book move since it is in the Fritz8.ctg opening book
>(might be wrong).

>You assume your main line is the truth?
>
>Yes

good to know: you're the source of the truth ;-)


>I don't understand in the first place why you constantly insist on that I fail
>to understand something.

because I made statements and you replied with things which made me think you
did not understand my statements. Didn't intend to offend.

>Qc7 is not bad relative to the other moves.

well it is not losing: it is just the complete thread of moves that loses.

>How should Fritz know that it is not able to play the position after 10...e4
>correct?

That's not under discussion, and not my problem but a problem of the
programmers. The fact a program is unable to understand something does not make
the thing irrelevant. It just shows that the program does not understand that
issue.

The move sequence that starts with a5 and culminates with the locking move e4 is
losing for the program.
If the program does not understand that, the programs is treating badly the
position. Period. No more no less. That's why the black plan should be corrected
somewhere. That's why I proposed to replace Qc7 as an option, and may be
concrete analysis can show this is not enough. Yuor line till Re1 is not the
final answer, altough not to far from refuting my idea to replace Qc7.

>This position was an exception,not a common position at all.

I agree, but since in most of the other positions programs play well, here is
where the programmes should do the work.




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