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Subject: Re: Simple quad-opteron test

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 17:03:24 12/04/03

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On December 04, 2003 at 19:35:52, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On December 04, 2003 at 18:07:37, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On December 03, 2003 at 23:50:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On December 03, 2003 at 20:42:57, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 03, 2003 at 19:54:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 03, 2003 at 19:37:13, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 03, 2003 at 16:22:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 03, 2003 at 15:54:45, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 03, 2003 at 14:59:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>=====================10 seconds per position========================
>>>>>>>>>test results summary:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>total positions searched..........         300
>>>>>>>>>number right......................         299
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's really impressive, even considering the fast hardware.  The last
>>>>>>>>time I tried, I got 289/300 at 1 second/position, 293/300 at 3 seconds,
>>>>>>>>294/300 at 5 seconds, 295/300 at 10 seconds, and 298/300 at 20 seconds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The remaining two positions, number 100 and 230, are *never* solved.
>>>>>>>>I can let my program analyse for hours, but it still doesn't find
>>>>>>>>the solutions.  In both positions, it thinks it is winning, but
>>>>>>>>never finds the right moves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have gotten 230 in the past, but when I made some passed pawn changes of
>>>>>>>some sort, it went away.  But even back then it took several minutes to choose
>>>>>>>the rook toss...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you compile with the #define DETECTDRAW it will find almost instantly that
>>>>>>any move other than Rb4 is a blocked position draw. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you tried it already?  I'll give it a whirl tonight when I get home..
>>>>>
>>>>>Although the opteron seems to be down right now.  They were installing a
>>>>>firewall, so I might be dead until tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, I wrote that code, remember? :)
>>>
>>>Yes I remembered.  :)  I was specifically talking about it with respect to
>>>WAC 230.  I remembered some results from some of those stupid positions
>>>with the pawn locked where one side offers a rook that should not be
>>>taken.  :)
>>>
>>>I didn't know it also worked on wac 230.
>>
>>It detects the potential draw, but does not help to solve WAC.230:
>
>It works fine for me:
>
>Crafty v19.6
>
>White(1): easy
>pondering disabled.
>White(1): epdlrec wac.epd 230
>Black(1): analyze
>Analyze Mode: type "exit" to terminate.
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 22.50 (3:30)
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>                1     0.00  -2.91   1. ... a4
>                1->   0.00  -2.91   1. ... a47
>                2     0.00     --   1. ... a4
>                2     0.00  -0.01   1. ... a4 2. Ba3
>                2->   0.00  -0.01   1. ... a4 2. Ba3
>                3     0.01  -0.01   1. ... a4 2. Ba3 Bd7
>                3->   0.01  -0.01   1. ... a4 2. Ba3 Bd7
>                4     0.01  -0.01   1. ... a4 2. Ba3 Bd7 3. Rb1
>                4     0.01     ++   1. ... Kb5!!
>                4     0.01  -2.06   1. ... Kb5 2. Ba3 Ka4 3. Bc5
>                4->   0.01  -2.06   1. ... Kb5 2. Ba3 Ka4 3. Bc5
>                5     0.02  -2.16   1. ... Kb5 2. Kf4 Rf7+ 3. Ke3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Be7
>                5->   0.02  -2.16   1. ... Kb5 2. Kf4 Rf7+ 3. Ke3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Be7
>                6     0.02  -2.03   1. ... Kb5 2. Ba3 Ka4 3. Bc5 Rf7 4.
>                                    f3
>                6->   0.03  -2.03   1. ... Kb5 2. Ba3 Ka4 3. Bc5 Rf7 4.
>                                    f3
>                7     0.04  -2.17   1. ... Kb5 2. Kf4 Rh7 3. f3 Rh4+ 4.
>                                    Kg3 Rh5 5. Kf4
>                7->   0.05  -2.17   1. ... Kb5 2. Kf4 Rh7 3. f3 Rh4+ 4.
>                                    Kg3 Rh5 5. Kf4
>                8     0.09  -2.20   1. ... Kb5 2. f3 Rf7 3. Ba3 Ka4 4.
>                                    Bd6 Bd7 5. Bc5
>                8     0.16  -2.32   1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Rh5 3. Kg4 Kb5 4.
>                                    Ba3 Ka4 5. Bb2
>                8->   0.17  -2.32   1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Rh5 3. Kg4 Kb5 4.
>                                    Ba3 Ka4 5. Bb2
>                9     0.21  -2.38   1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Rh5 3. Kg4 Kb5 4.
>                                    Rb2 Ka4 5. Kf4 Rh2
>                9->   0.22  -2.38   1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Rh5 3. Kg4 Kb5 4.
>                                    Rb2 Ka4 5. Kf4 Rh2
>               10     0.29     --   1. ... Rh7
>               10     0.33  -2.21   1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Rh5 3. Kg4 Kb5 4.
>                                    Ba3 Bd7 5. Kf4 Ka4 6. Bb2
>               10     0.53  -2.25   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Bd7 4.
>                                    Rb2 Ka4 5. Bc5 Bc6 6. f3
>               10->   0.54  -2.25   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Bd7 4.
>                                    Rb2 Ka4 5. Bc5 Bc6 6. f3
>               11     0.71  -2.27   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Kg4 Rxf2 5. Rb2 Ka4 6. Kg3 Kxa3 7.
>                                    Rxf2
>               11->   0.81  -2.27   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Kg4 Rxf2 5. Rb2 Ka4 6. Kg3 Kxa3 7.
>                                    Rxf2
>               12     1.04  -1.99   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Kg4 Rxf2 5. Rb2 Ka4 6. Rxf2 Kxa3 7.
>                                    Kf4
>               12->   1.24  -1.99   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Kg4 Rxf2 5. Rb2 Ka4 6. Rxf2 Kxa3 7.
>                                    Kf4
>               13     1.62  -2.16   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Kg4 Rxf2 5. Rb2 Ka4 6. Rxf2 Kxa3 7.
>                                    Kf4 Bd7
>               13->   1.96  -2.16   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    Kg4 Rxf2 5. Rb2 Ka4 6. Rxf2 Kxa3 7.
>                                    Kf4 Bd7
>               14     2.45     --   1. ... Kb5
>               14     2.73  -0.01   1. ... Kb5 2. Rb1 Rf7 3. Ba3 Rf5 4.
>                                    f4 Ka4 5. Bb2 Bd7 6. Ra1+ Kb5 7. Kg4
>                                    a4 8. Kh4 Rxf4+ 9. Kh3 a3
>               14    11.86  -1.18   1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 c3 4.
>                                    Rc1 b2 5. b5+ Kxb5 6. Ba3 bxc1=Q 7.
>                                    Bxc1 Kc4 8. Be3 a3 9. Kf4 Kb3
>               14->  12.04  -1.18   1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 c3 4.
>                                    Rc1 b2 5. b5+ Kxb5 6. Ba3 bxc1=Q 7.
>                                    Bxc1 Kc4 8. Be3 a3 9. Kf4 Kb3

3.Rb1 seems very bad ! how crafty can think it's the best line ?

Hiarcs 9, 2 best moves after 2 min :

2b5/8/2kBp1p1/3pP1P1/pP1P4/1pp3K1/5P2/1R6 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 9:

1. -+ (-1.70): 4.b5+ Rxb5 5.Fa3 Rc4 6.Tc1 Rxd4 7.Rf4 Rd3 8.Td1+ Rc4
2. -+ (-2.50): 4.Tc1 b2 5.Txc3+ Rd7 6.Tc7+ Rd8 7.Th7 b1D 8.Th8+ Rd7 9.Th7+ Rc6
10.Tc7+ Rb6 11.Txc8 a3 12.Tb8+ Ra7 13.Te8 Dg1+ 14.Rf3 a2 15.Fc5+ Rb7 16.Te7+ Rc8
17.Te8+ Rc7




>               15    15.01   1/16?  1. ... Rb4
>
>It performs identically in game mode.



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