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Subject: Re: Athlon 64 or Intel P4 3.2 EE: which ?

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 17:35:03 12/08/03

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The page is down at the moment for me.. but go to www.tabsnet.com
I don't trust the haveland site as they don't screen the results at ALL. Someone
even posted some fake playstation 2 'mod' running ps2 faster than some of the
higher clocked Athlons.. when in fact the Playstation 2 chip is quite slow, much
slower than the P3-733 thats in the xbox even.

On tabsnet Enrico's Athlon XP 2525MHz pulled in 2 minutes, 15 seconds for the
"Chessmark". A P4-2.76GHz came in at 3 minutes and 5 seconds (slightly slower
than the 3 minute and 3 second Athlon XP 1.86GHz). The Opteron 1.8GHz? Well,
that came in at 57 seconds. :)

Now for the "Newmark" povray test...

Opteron 1.8GHz: 22 minutes, 34 seconds
Athlon XP 2.52GHz: 23 minutes, 46 seconds
Pentium 4 3.45GHz: 27 minutes, 33 seconds
Pentium 4 3.32GHz: 29 minutes, 38 seconds


Look at all of the other results.. All Athlon/Opterons in the top score. Now, go
to Haveland and post a bogus result.. it is up there immediately. Try posting
one with Tabsnet, they'll filter out the garbage or make you verify your result.

On December 08, 2003 at 16:25:49, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>On December 08, 2003 at 14:32:15, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On December 08, 2003 at 13:08:41, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On December 08, 2003 at 12:55:36, Leen Ammeraal wrote:
>>>
>>>>I saw the Athlon 64 based
>>>>"PC Vobis Power 64 3200+ XD" (euro 1299).
>>>>
>>>>How does this compare with an Intel P4 3.2 EE ?
>>>>Which would you prefer for chess?
>>>>Leen
>>>
>>>According to http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/CCAM/a64fx_51_launch.shtml, the
>>>3.2EE would be faster.
>>
>>Shame they only tested (except for UT2k3) applications where the P4 does decent.
>>As I said in a previous post.. where is DVD2AVI (where an Athlon does best for
>>Mpeg encoding). It is much faster than XMpeg for me (on my XP). Also, in Povray
>>(a renderer a normal person would use, rather than drop $4000 for one of the
>>ones they use to test) the Athlon is a good 50%+ faster than the P4. In 64bit
>>mode it is something like 3 times faster. The Athlon FX is even faster than the
>>XP. Expecially for chess, which I believe what he was asking about in the first
>>place.
>
>Guess which system is the fastest for Povray?
>
>http://www.haveland.com/index.htm?povbench/index.php
>
>:-)
>
>Thanks,
>Eugene
>
>>Go test Fritz, Shredder, Crafty, etc. on a 2.2GHz FX. You'll see in 32bit mode
>>you'll gain 20-30% over an Athlon XP (which is already faster than a P4 for
>>chess).
>>
>>About PCMark and 3DMark (all made by madonion/futuremark).. they're all bunk.
>>PCMark is biased towards the P4 and now that ATI slapped them with some cash
>>they're biased towards ATI. If you don't believe me, try this. Get a Pentium 2
>>400MHz (yes, 400MHz) and a Radeon 9700 pro, 9800, whatever. Now, put a Geforce4
>>ti4600 in a P4-3.2EE, Athlon FX 2.8GHz, you name it.. doesn't matter. The
>>Pentium 2 400MHz will get a higher 3DMark. Why? Well, thats what happens when
>>you dump a ton of cash on a company.. they do what you want.
>>
>>The semi-technical reason why it is like this was something nvidia found out.
>>They found that the way futuremark did the pixel shaders was ridiculous. Adding
>>a specific loop (or something like that, you can search for it on google) that
>>only the ATI chips could do.. and the entire test setup was this crap. In real
>>life, and in any other 3D program the Geforce4 on the faster CPU would
>>absolutely kill the P2-400MHz with the 9700 Pro. This is an example of the crap
>>companies do to fool customers.
>>
>>I've done the testing (P4-2.53 @ 3.32ghz and limited testing at 3.5ghz) for
>>chess and other programs, my Athlon XP at 2.5GHz beat it in 95% of the tests and
>>ALL of the chess programs. An Athlon FX 2.2GHz is 20-30% faster than an XP at
>>2.2GHz, so you can figure it'd be equal to an XP 2.64-2.86GHz.. which is
>>definitely faster than any P4 (even if they clocked it up to 4GHz and more) to
>>date. If you want the fastest, go for this:
>>http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000268
>>
>>Plus, if you get a P4-3.2EE what do you think you'll be doing when lots of the
>>chess programs go to 64bit, and most of everything else? You'll end up buying an
>>Athlon FX.. the P4 will get smoked even more when 64bit stuff hits the scene.
>>You can get one now and when everything switches over you won't have to upgrade
>>at all. If you do go with a P4-EE you'll just be one of many who wonder why it
>>isn't as fast as the 'review' pages say.
>>
>>If in doubt, test it yourself.. I did.



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