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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 11:01:30 12/13/03

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On December 13, 2003 at 11:24:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 13, 2003 at 03:33:27, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On December 12, 2003 at 22:43:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On December 12, 2003 at 18:26:03, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 12, 2003 at 17:09:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 12, 2003 at 14:26:18, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 12, 2003 at 13:42:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 12, 2003 at 12:52:15, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>AFAIC you have hit an all-time low, as I said to Matt, be careful people might
>>>>>>>>>>>step on you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>When you said that to me, I thought you were referring to the moderators.
>>>>>>>>>>That's who you were referring to, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No Matt, I was reffering to you, it was pretty clear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, I mean the "people might step on matt" meant "moderators might step on
>>>>>>>>matt".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you meant to imply something else, then you are definitely a comedian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He meant "something else".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It was a childish comment, as usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Learn to read, it was Matt behaving badly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When he "grows up" he will realize that sometimes a game is about
>>>>>>>winning, other times it is about fun, and other times it is about
>>>>>>>things like sportsmanship, training, etc.  But a tournament is
>>>>>>>about winning, first and foremost.  To suggest otherwise is so
>>>>>>>far beyond ridiculous that it takes sunlight 6 months to get from
>>>>>>>ridiculous to there.  Chess players are competitors, first and
>>>>>>>foremost, in tournament play.  And if my opponent screws up a won
>>>>>>>position and lets me escape with a perpetual, I'll take it.  The
>>>>>>>literature is _full_ of such happenings between GM players, and
>>>>>>>they never get into this sort of nonsensical "but I was really winning,
>>>>>>>and screwed up, and you are a louse for not resigning and giving me the
>>>>>>>point.  I only made a _small_ mistake."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You absolutely have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm growing fatigued
>>>>>>with your vapid insults.
>>>>>
>>>>>I really don't believe you could recognize an insult if it fell on you.  The
>>>>>above was _not_ an insult.  This paragraph _might_ be considered one however.
>>>>
>>>>Puerile attacks, this speaks volumes of your character, or lack thereof.
>>>
>>>Since you started this, I suppose that volume is even louder?
>>
>>No, you created this, and you have to extricate yourself from this quandary.
>>You created the conudrum, you have to find the solution. Not I.
>
>There is no "conundrum" here, there is a "problem"  And I didn't create
>it, the TD in Graz created it.  I don't have to find a solution, because
>I (and others) _already_ know the solution.
>
>You, on the other hand, are off the planet somewhere and have no idea what
>is going on...
>
ROTFL! I perfectly well know what's going on, you just keep your "beam " tightly
"focused" on one thing, not any other points that have been brought up.

Rudeness, notwithstanding. Oh, and yes, I'm typing this from the ISS:o)
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can see GM Walter Browne falling out of his chair laughing.  And he
>>>>>>>doesn't laugh much in a chess tournament.  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you said that to him _before_ the game ends, you might have a chance.
>>>>>>>He might choke so badly laughing that his flag falls before he can regain
>>>>>>>control.  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let's see.  Should Kasparov have been given a point or 1/2 point in the
>>>>>>>game he lost so badly against junior, where he had a good position for the
>>>>>>>entire game and made a single move that blew the game?  Should the DB team
>>>>>>>have given Kasparov credit for blundering in game 6 in 1997 and called the
>>>>>>>match a draw?  Should Shirov, or Kramnik, or ... have expected the same
>>>>>>>when they lost games they should have won and won games they should have
>>>>>>>lost?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sort of destroys the idea of "competition"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're babbling mindlessly. I'm trying to refrain from answering as it's lost on
>>>>>>you two yardbirds, but you're making it pretty near damn impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Right.  Get shrill instead of reinforcing your (lack of) argument...
>>>>
>>>>I'm not being shrill in this post at all, just pointing out you're "Out to
>>>>Lunch", Professor.
>>>>You have no arguement, with the exception of the dubious decision made in Graz,
>>>>which will stand, much to your chagrin.
>>>
>>>Not to my "chagrin".  To my "dislike".  It was a bad decision that supported
>>>direct violation of a rule used for 30+ years.  That will _always_ be looked
>>>up with disfavor by myself and others.
>>
>>Chagrin fits perfectly, you are grasping at straws. Most others will forget.
>>>
>
>I'm not grasping at straws or anything else.  It is a concrete/open-and-shut
>solution to a problem that should never have happened.

You may be right, but we're not, or at least _I'm_ not discussing that issue
anymore. With the exception in one line that the decision will stand.



>
>You need a dictionary in the worst way.


I doubt that. At least not anymore than most. BTFYC:o)
>
>I'm not embarassed by the decision at all.  _I_ didn't have anything to do with
>it.  I'm much more interested in seing the decision "fixed" so that it is fair
>to everyone.

I never said you were, and obviously you had nothing to do with it. lol

>
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way, you ought to consider taking ritalin.  It helps keep your
>>>>>attention on a single topic.  You have been all over the planet, yet
>>>>>the discussion was about the decision (bad) made in Graz.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, when all else fails resort to "ad hominems", churlish personal attacks.
>>>
>>>Look up "ad hominem".  That wasn't one.  That was a suggestion to solve a
>>>real problem you have with short attention span.  Just look where we are now
>>>and what the original thread subject was about...
>>
>>I fully comprehend what ad hominem means, and you're guilty of using such
>>pathetic debasing tactic, concede.
>>Robert you are wrong, I know it, and you know it, my attention span is far
>>greater than yours, or most people's admit it, you've lost.
>>I know the entire thread, and I know you don't, you can't, I've kept track you
>>obviously haven't.
>
>Right.  Just look at how you are arguing the points of the original discussion
>_right now_.  (hint:  You haven't talked about the TD decision in several
>consecutive posts now.)
>
>"focus" indeed...
>
That's due to the fact I'm long passed discussing it. That should be quite
obvious.

It was to do with _sporstsmanship_ in _chess_ and you don't appear to have very
much of that.

Of course tournaments are all about winning, I _never_ said otherwise.

However, there is a time, even chess for _blood_ when you should lay down your
King, and shake your opponants hand.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A little "focus" might keep you on track and off these wild tangents.
>>>>
>>>>I can assure you, most confidently, I'm very focused, it's you who is erratic.
>>>
>>>Your definition of focused doesn't pass any optical clarity standard...
>>
>>I can attest with the utmost confidence, that I surpass the highest standards,
>>OTOH you can't, your memory capacity is inferior.
>>
>>It's crystal clear to me, but muddled in your case.
>>
>>You're taking on the wrong person, I'm not some mindless fool.
>>As long as you take the stance you're superior you'll be buried, along with your
>>archaic concepts.
>
>I doubt I'll ever be buried by you, however.

I don't have to, you're doing a fine job all on your own.

Bye Bob.





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