Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:13:39 01/09/04
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On January 09, 2004 at 00:29:51, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >On January 09, 2004 at 00:20:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 08, 2004 at 23:39:42, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >> >>>On January 08, 2004 at 22:50:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>>Where is this going on? Aren't all of the 64 bit Athlons named "Athlon 64"? >>>> >>>>They are not being called that everywhere. IE 3400+ what? >>> >>>I think you're confused about AMD's product line. 3400+ is the speed rating. >>>Athlon 64 is the family name. The full name of the chip is "Athlon 64 3400+" so >>>I don't think you have a valid complaint. >> >>athlon. athlon-64. opteron. FX51. And there is "no confusion"? > >I'm not confused. Honda makes the Accord, Accord Coupe, Acura TSX, and Acura TL >and they're all based on the Accord, yet somehow people manage... Not all of those are "accords" with different names, however. FX51. athlon-64. Opteron are the same with a minor memory controller difference for one. Honda does do accord dx, accord lx, accord v6, some years an accord ex or se, but they are _all_ accords... > >>>>>Besides, why shouldn't 64-bit Athlons be family members with 32-bit Athlons? The >>>>>architecture is very similar and they're backward compatible. The Athlon 64 is >>>>>related to the Athlon more than the Pentium 4 is related to the Pentium. >>>> >>>>say "opteron". that is what we are talking about. Yet it has been called >>>>opteron, FX51 and athlon-64. Yes, I know that one has 1/2 the bus width, >>>>but still, they are essentially the _same_ CPU. I don't see the need for >>> >>>Yes, of course they're the same CPU, just as the Pentium 4 Xeon is the same as >>>the Pentium 4 Mobile is the same as the Pentium 4. It's called brand >>>differentiation. >> >>There are differences. IE xeon has the cache coherency stuff for MP. Normal >>processors do not. In the past, xeon has bigger L2. It is still optional >>in that you can buy a 2mb L2 cache xeon, but not normal PIVs. And _everyone_ >>considers "xeon" to be "better". Whether it is for all apps or not is another >>issue. > >So? There are differences between most of the Athlon 64s and Opterons, and >everyone considers Opterons "better" too. That's the point of AMD's branding. The difference is that Intel doesn't just remark a xeon from a PIV. It _is_ a different chip in some ways, and it _does_ have the same family name, namely PIV. AMD is not doing that. > >>Now we have AMD. Opteron is king of the hill IMHO. Yet they have "blended" >>the name and it is getting lost in the "blend" which is unfortunate. IE Intel >>has made great "hay" with the xeon line. AMD is burying the opteron name. > >How are they blending anything?? I don't even know what you mean by blending. Again. athlon-64. FX51. Opteron. Same basic chip. > >>>It's not really nonsense. How else do you propose people tell the difference >>>between a 486/50 and a 486DX2/50? >> >>I wouldn't fake the MHZ numbers, for sure. If the external clock frequency >>is 50mhz, it's 50mhz. If it is 25mhz external and 50 internal, it is 25mhz. > >You're just digging yourself a deeper stupidity hole. If you call it a 486/25, >how do you tell the difference between that and a 486 with a 25MHz internal >clock? According to your backwards notion, there would be half a dozen 800MHz >Pentium 4s that all perform differently. I'm not digging any sort of "hole" at all. I simply think it wrong to have two chips that say 486-50 when they are not the same. I think I made that clear. IE back to your accord. If I buy an Accord DX, or an Accord V6, I am getting an Accord. Same body style, same basic parts, different engine and performance, but then V6 says that. > >>>>The opteron is good enough that it doesn't _need_ to be compared to the >>>>Intel MHZ rating... Every time they use 3200+ they are referencing Intel, >>>>and that seems bad for _this_ particular chip. >>> >>>Again, you're confused about AMD's product line. The Opteron isn't "compared to >>>the Intel MHZ rating." Opteron chip names don't even include clock speeds. >>>They're numbered, e.g., 240, 242, 844, etc. It's only the regular Athlon 64, >>>intended for Average Joe's consumpion, that has these performance ratings. >> >>And the athlon-64 has what "core"? >> >>IE is it an athlon through-and-through. Or is it an opteron in an athlon's >>clothing? > >You're apparently the only person in the world who doesn't understand branding. > >-Tom I suppose I must be... And it isn't that I don't "understand" it. I simply don't _like_ it. There _is_ a difference, if you simply take the time to think about it.
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