Author: Vasik Rajlich
Date: 01:34:02 01/11/04
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On January 10, 2004 at 16:24:59, Jim Bodkins wrote: >On January 10, 2004 at 12:39:07, Rick Rice wrote: > >>I was browsing the website for the North American Computer Chess Association - >>http://homepage.mac.com/chessnotation/events.html >> >>.. where I came across an event to be held in November 2004 - Annual Beat Europe >>Computer Chess Competition . It started me thinking if there were even any >>quality American chess programs to match European chess programs, apart from >>Crafty. I was surprised to find quite a few: >> >>1 : USA ( 37 ) >>Alex, Amateur, Arasan, Bace, Beaches, Betsy, BigBook, Chad's Chess, ChessRikus, >>Crafty, DChess, DeepTrouble, Dorky, DrunkenMaster, EXchess, Fimbulwinter, >>Gerbil, GnuChess 4, GnuChess 5, Horizon, Jester, Kace, LTK, NoonianChess, >>Parrot, Plywood, Pooky, Puslar, ROBOKewlper, Simontacchi, SlowChess, SSEChess, >>Storm, Tristram, TSCP, Usurper, Zotron. >> >>.... you could browse those from other countries at this site - >>http://vigo.altervista.org/Team_WOCT-2.htm#USA >> >>This should be quite interesting then, if the event were to go ahead on November >>4. I think the Europeans will hold upper hand, with Ruffian, Deep Sjeng, Delfi, >>Gromit, Comet etc. They seem to be quite ahead of their American counterparts. >> >>Cheers, >>Rick > > >The US doesnt play chess really. USCF has 90,000 members out of 1/3 billion >people and just went bankrupt (over about $300,000 - chump change to a pro >basketball player) and had to sell its store to an english firm. Most of the top >US players (USCF) are immigrants not native. > >I'm a native American, so dont get mad. We play baseball not chess. Chess isnt >culturally a part of the US at all. People (Garry) come here mainly because of >money not chess. Chess software doesnt interest most programmers in my >experience. OS's, databases etc do. > >The US will get hammered, but the guys will probably have fun anyway. > >... oh, and we do Mars missions. :) If you announced a 20 million dollar first prize at the '04 WCCC I'm ready to bet at even odds that some American/American group wins it. There is plenty of computer chess expertise in the U.S. There's a huge difference in mentality between Americans and Europeans. A European is more likely to take his hobby extremely seriously, especially an intellectual hobby, and spent years working on it even without any real chance to get rich or famous. Now that computer chess is considered "solved", that's the mentality you need to bring your engine to the top. An American is more likely to get totally obsessed and be ready to risk everything - but there must be some prize. A lot of the discussions on this forum are quite interesting because of this cultural gap. You do not in the US ever, never, ever, say things like "I got unlucky", or "my stuff worked in my practice sessions", or "the result was statistically insignificant". Vas
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