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Subject: Re: Nolot #3 - In defense of GM Smagin

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:07:27 02/09/04

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On February 09, 2004 at 13:51:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On February 09, 2004 at 09:21:59, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 09, 2004 at 08:39:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On February 08, 2004 at 22:50:05, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>If case you have not figured this out by now, my intent it to continue with
>>>>posting all 11 of the Nolot positions, dig up the game score from the actual
>>>>game -- post the orginal comments made by Pierre Nolot (original author of the
>>>>article where these positions were discussed)  and Feng-Hsiung Hsu, Deep Blue
>>>>Inventor, who was preparing Deep Thought/Deep Blue for the match with Kasparov
>>>>that was to come in 1995 and took a keen interest in these positions.  He
>>>>believed that if Deep Blue were able to solve  these type of  positions quickly,
>>>>Deep Blue would have a very good shot at defeating Kasparov. It is interesting
>>>>to see what today's software on fast hardware  think of these positions.
>>>>
>>>>So far these posts have gone very well and I appeciate everyone who has
>>>>particpated in this excercise.
>>>>
>>>>Nolot #3 is  a semi-controversial position as there are many doubters that the
>>>>claimed winning move is truly a forced win.  When one also considers the nearly
>>>>200 point in the ratings of the particpants, it easier to understand why the
>>>>favored player, GM Sergey Smagin, now 47, played the daring and very complicated
>>>
>>>[d]r2qk2r/ppp1b1pp/2n1p3/3pP1n1/3P2b1/2PB1NN1/PP4PP/R1BQK2R w - - bm Nxg5; 3
>>>f3g5
>>>
>>>I have studied it too and came to the conclusion that Nxg5 is a beautiful and
>>>very deep win. Nothing controversial about it.
>>>
>>>Please realise Feng-Hsiung Hsu has a rating of a 1000 points or so and his thing
>>>positional 2000 or so. He doesn't realize of course that black effectively is
>>>not playing after Nxg5.
>>
>>Hsu's rating is irrelevant for discussion about this position.
>
>Proof me that it is irrelevant.
>
>The only proof we have is that 2400+ rated engines when you start using them for
>your correspondence games that they achieve 2000 rating.

No

We have no proof for that.
Based on my experience in correspondence games they are clearly better than 2000
ICCF rating.

>
>So if there is any proof here it is that your influence is a very bad one for
>the game of chess!!
>
>>I did not study this position but these kind of posts is the reason that people
>>do not like you.
>
>So you didn't even study it. You are a @#(@#(!(!.
>
>You comment on something without even having studied it. I spent a full day to
>this position some years ago!
>
>It is a beautiful sacrafice.
>
>Knowing that your analysis are 2000 rating, thanks to your brains managing to
>bring down the level of engines, i suggest you take 2 weeks.
>
>>You could claim that you believe that Nxg5 is better without becoming personal
>>against Hsu but unfortunately instead of comparing evaluation of positions after
>>Nxg5 and Bxg5 you chose to go for a personal attack.
>>Uri
>
>If you feel that a person is worth less when his chess rating is lower then that
>is your interpretation. Perhaps i don't even need to throw you from that 10
>story hotel in Tel Aviv; you will jump yourself knowing your interpretation is
>that you failed in live because you have a bad chess level!

I only see that you talked about Hsu and not about the position.

Uri



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