Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:35:16 04/29/04
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On April 29, 2004 at 00:05:38, John Merlino wrote: >On April 28, 2004 at 23:55:45, ERIQ wrote: > >>On April 28, 2004 at 21:49:15, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On April 28, 2004 at 19:25:34, ERIQ wrote: >>> >>>>On April 28, 2004 at 14:30:13, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>The latest and greatest did really well, in the last computer contest. So, will a Windows version (XP or lesser) be made ready for buying? >>>> >>>>amazing! there is one buyer :) >>>> >>>>>I have my credit card ready? I can even send a postal order, or cheque! >>>> >>>>wow!! >>>> >>>>>It will make a nice addition to an already growing pile of Chess Stuff! >>>> >>>>not sure why?! but to each his own. >>>> >>>>IMO. diep couldn't beat it's way out of a paper bag in the middle of a rain >>>>storm, what would be the purpose in buying it? >>>> >>>>save you money and get crafty, you'll feel better afterwards :) >>> >>>Not only did Diep beat the Champion (Shredder) at the recent tournament at >>>Leiden, it was the only program to NOT LOSE to Shredder! It can't be that >>>bad.... >>> >>>jm >>you know as well as I, that any program can have a good event, that does not >>make it a champion. Shredder is a real champion, it has won lots of events and >>as fischer put it "strength is better determined by match play", and so being, I >>don't think diep would win a 20 game match with any of the top 5 programs today. >>I just don't think much of diep or it's style. >> >>Sign, >> Eriq Lamar > >I didn't say that Shredder wasn't a great program, nor did I mean to infer that >Diep was a "top 5 program". All I was saying was that Diep can't obviously be as >bad as your colorful statement above claims, or else it couldn't have beaten a >champion. Oh well, the latest versions of DIEP are in the top3 for sure. Whether it's better than Shredder or worse, we'll see in world champs 2004. It would be a wrong conclusion to say that Shredder isn't dominating currently. Anyone denying that has dirt in his eyes. Shredder 7.04 and 8 are over-all monsters. Any other engine that says he's in top3 must proof his point and beat it. What happened in 2003 and before simply doesn't count. In 2003 the Shredder 7.04 and 8 were simply a lightyear ahead of any other engine with respect to engine strength (note that in order to win not only engine matters, book can be very decisive too, like Kure has proven in world champs 2003 where he kicked major butt). So in 2004 the others must show they can make up for that or they run still a lightyear behind. I did it once in 2004, why not a second time? I really feel current diep is in top 3 for sure and will try to proof that in world champs 2004. You can see it in this way. In November 2003, diep sucked. From december 2003 till today i worked at diep's eval. Note in the night before ict4 i have done 15 modifications to diep's eval. So i had 3 hours sleep. That's december,januari,februari,march and a part of april. Say 4.5 months. In 2 days it's May. That gives me another 3 months. If i can boost it from something that sucks ass in december 2003 to something that beats shredder in april, that gives me 3 months to improve Diep to beat the rest. What we know from Shredder is that it will at most like lose 1 game and win the rest. For any participant in world champs 2004 that is a scary thought... >Name me one GM who "couldn't beat <his> way out of a paper bag in the middle of >a rainstorm" who also beat Kasparov.... >jm
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