Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:49:26 04/30/04
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On April 30, 2004 at 06:57:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 23:05:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 18:17:54, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2004 at 14:36:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 29, 2004 at 13:22:15, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 29, 2004 at 11:28:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 29, 2004 at 04:09:43, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 19:25:34, ERIQ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 14:30:13, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The latest and greatest did really well, in the last computer contest. So, will a Windows version (XP or lesser) be made ready for buying? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>amazing! there is one buyer :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have my credit card ready? I can even send a postal order, or cheque! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>wow!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It will make a nice addition to an already growing pile of Chess Stuff! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>not sure why?! but to each his own. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IMO. diep couldn't beat it's way out of a paper bag in the middle of a rain >>>>>>>>storm, what would be the purpose in buying it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The recent tournaments have shown that Shredder is one leap ahead of all other >>>>>>>engines. I also know this based on my own experiments, as Shredder 8 is the only >>>>>>>engine that consistently scores above 50% against Falcon in my tests. >>>>>> >>>>>>That is a red flag. If Shredder is the _only_ engine that beats you in your >>>>>>tests, I'd personally be very concerned that my testing is badly flawed. IE if >>>>>>you can consistently beat fritz, you are doing something nobody else (except >>>>>>perhaps shredder) is doing... >>>>> >>>>>Saying that shredder is the only engine that consistently scores above 50% >>>>>against Falcon does not means that Falcon can consistently beat Fritz and it may >>>>>get exactly 50% against Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>50% or 51% really doesn't matter. Either result seems far beyond any reality I >>>>can imagine. >>> >>>I tested Falcon at home here. At slow hardware with pretty quick time controls >>>using a good book it is real strong. >>> >>>Fritz is not forward pruning AFAIK and Falcon is forward pruning more than Ed >>>used to do. So when having equal number of cycles at a machine, Falcon *will* >>>have a good chance. >>> >>>Knowing not many have falcon i volunteer to keep a crafty-falcon match if you >>>keep on saying he's a liar. I would be using the same conditions. So fritz8.ctg >>>for falcon, that's all. Crafty version of your chosing, optimized as you want it >>>to be for single cpu usage (i have net2003 here if that's enough for you) and i >>>will load it as winboard/uci engine under fritz with your own book learning and >>>book.bin and a pretty quick level, as my dual k7 has other duties too. >> >>Just show up on ICC and play all you want. You really think I'd consider you an >>objective tester? > >This shows your true personality. Yes it does... But then I already knew yours so the idea of impartial testing never even came into consideration as a result... > >>If his program is better than mine, fine. But I _really_ >>doubt it is better than Rebel, Tiger, Fritz, Junior, The King, etc... >> >>My opinion, of course. But then, every time you make a wild statement I have >>made the _same_ comment about showing up on ICC. It never happens even though >>Crafty is there all the time. >> >>> >>>Of course i'll play many games to make it statistical significant in order to >>>try to proof that crafty is not having a chance against a modern engine like >>>Falcon. I have a dual K7 upstairs ready for such a match. >>> >>>Let me know whether you are interested in taking this proposal. >> >>Sure. Pop on over to ICC. Your "basement matches" prove zilch. > >the last people need preparing for world champs is public matches. > >I'm not having a dual opteron for Falcon of course here, neither does it run >parallel. It's clear you are not interested in equal hardware matches. Shame on >you! And _you_ are interested? Do you understand the word "hypocrit"??? > >In a few weeks some tester might show up with diep at a dual opteron at ICC. But >i'm sure everyone knows what will happen in *those* games. Probably the same thing as happened when you used an 8-way itanium a while back? Feel free to play any time you want... > >> >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Vincent
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