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Subject: Re: Objective proposal Falcon - Crafty

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 03:57:50 04/30/04

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On April 29, 2004 at 23:05:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 29, 2004 at 18:17:54, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On April 29, 2004 at 14:36:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 29, 2004 at 13:22:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 29, 2004 at 11:28:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 29, 2004 at 04:09:43, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 19:25:34, ERIQ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 14:30:13, Chris Taylor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The latest and greatest did really well, in the last computer contest.  So, will a Windows version (XP or lesser) be made ready for buying?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>amazing! there is one buyer :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have my credit card ready?  I can even send a postal order, or cheque!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>wow!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It will make a nice addition to an already growing pile of Chess Stuff!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>not sure why?! but to each his own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>IMO. diep couldn't beat it's way out of a paper bag in the middle of a rain
>>>>>>>storm, what would be the purpose in buying it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The recent tournaments have shown that Shredder is one leap ahead of all other
>>>>>>engines. I also know this based on my own experiments, as Shredder 8 is the only
>>>>>>engine that consistently scores above 50% against Falcon in my tests.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is a red flag.  If Shredder is the _only_ engine that beats you in your
>>>>>tests, I'd personally be very concerned that my testing is badly flawed.  IE if
>>>>>you can consistently beat fritz, you are doing something nobody else (except
>>>>>perhaps shredder) is doing...
>>>>
>>>>Saying that shredder is the only engine that consistently scores above 50%
>>>>against Falcon does not means that Falcon can consistently beat Fritz and it may
>>>>get exactly 50% against Fritz.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>50% or 51%  really doesn't matter.  Either result seems far beyond any reality I
>>>can imagine.
>>
>>I tested Falcon at home here. At slow hardware with pretty quick time controls
>>using a good book it is real strong.
>>
>>Fritz is not forward pruning AFAIK and Falcon is forward pruning more than Ed
>>used to do. So when having equal number of cycles at a machine, Falcon *will*
>>have a good chance.
>>
>>Knowing not many have falcon i volunteer to keep a crafty-falcon match if you
>>keep on saying he's a liar. I would be using the same conditions. So fritz8.ctg
>>for falcon, that's all. Crafty version of your chosing, optimized as you want it
>>to be for single cpu usage (i have net2003 here if that's enough for you) and i
>>will load it as winboard/uci engine under fritz with your own book learning and
>>book.bin and a pretty quick level, as my dual k7 has other duties too.
>
>Just show up on ICC and play all you want.  You really think I'd consider you an
>objective tester?

This shows your true personality.

>If his program is better than mine, fine.  But I _really_
>doubt it is better than Rebel, Tiger, Fritz, Junior, The King, etc...
>
>My opinion, of course.  But then, every time you make a wild statement I have
>made the _same_ comment about showing up on ICC.  It never happens even though
>Crafty is there all the time.
>
>>
>>Of course i'll play many games to make it statistical significant in order to
>>try to proof that crafty is not having a chance against a modern engine like
>>Falcon. I have a dual K7 upstairs ready for such a match.
>>
>>Let me know whether you are interested in taking this proposal.
>
>Sure.  Pop on over to ICC.  Your "basement matches" prove zilch.

the last people need preparing for world champs is public matches.

I'm not having a dual opteron for Falcon of course here, neither does it run
parallel. It's clear you are not interested in equal hardware matches. Shame on
you!

In a few weeks some tester might show up with diep at a dual opteron at ICC. But
i'm sure everyone knows what will happen in *those* games.

>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Vincent



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