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Subject: Re: Vincent

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:56:10 05/07/04

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On May 06, 2004 at 23:29:34, Arturo Ochoa wrote:

>>
>>Note that part of the difference is that crafty has a superior book when in case
>>of matches of 40 games I plan to always change the first move to avoid losing
>>the same game again and again and opening like 1.e4 a6 or 1.e4 a5 may give
>>crafty an additional advantage.
>>
>
>Maybe you can open the game with 1. f3!! e5 2. g4!! Qh4++
>
>God.......
>
>>I am almost sure that Crafty is going to win against movei but I am also almost
>>sure that movei will win games and a match is going to be interesting for me.
>>
>
>Well, Crafty will smash Movei in any control. You love to mention the Leo D
>Tournaments. Have you forgotten how the Crafty overall is there... well

Crafty does very well in the premier division.
Movei is fighting for promotion to the first division that is one division lower
than the premier division.

I do not know the difference in elo between the divisions.

I know rating based on the nunn match at blitz
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/ratings/ratingsnunn.htm

Crafty19.11    2699
Movei 00_8_178 2552

Difference is slightly more than 100 elo without considering the book factor.

In Leo's rating list we have

Crafty19.06        2596
Movei 0.0.8.131    2415




>
>
>>I plan to improve movei before the match(I already have a version that is
>>probably better than the public version and I plan to release a better version
>>in the next 10 days.
>>
>
>You have mentioned in this forum that you have difficulties in improving your
>current Movei. How do you plan to do that in 10 days? That is another Uri BlassĀ“
>typical contradiction in order to begin another absurd discussion?

I mentioned that I need to rewrite the code to make things more easy for me and
to implement some things but I do not think that it means that it is hard to
improve the current code.

I am going to allow the users to change weights in the search and the evaluation
and there is a good chance that it is possible to improve the program only by
changing weights.

>
>
>>Even 1.e4 a5 is not automatic loss and for black and seeing the result of a
>>match of 40 games is going to be interesting.
>>
>
>Try 1. e4 f6!! 2. d4 g5!! 3. Qh5++ Maybe you can win.....

No

The only reason for changing the first move in long matches is that it is the
best solution that I have to avoid losing the same game again and again.

In Leo's tournament I do not do it because the match is only of 4 games so it is
enough to learn to change the first move after a loss.



>
>
>>>
>>>Maybe a Movei-Diep match would be more interesting.
>>
>
>Well, if you mention this nonsense... what should I take care of any proposal?
>Movei must face engines of its level, but not Crafty or Diep... God....

I see no reason.

In Thorsten czub's tournament(120/40) it beated Fritz8,Yace,Mchess and drew with
Rebel and Elchinito.

Of course they are better than it and I did not mention the losses in this
post(it has 4/11) but it is not without chances.

>
>>I prefer not to discuss about things that will never happen.
>>Like hyatt I do not plan to bet about matches.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Of course, this wont happen. How can it happen such a nonsense?

It is not going to happen because I believe that Vincent is not going to release
Diep in the near future.

With Crafty it is dependent on the interest of users(I choose to use computer
time for other purposes so it will be productive if users can help me to get
data)

Uri



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