Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 07:21:21 05/10/04
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On May 10, 2004 at 09:42:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>I think the original intent was to show that DB was not at the level of "modern" >>programs _because_ it played g5. Now we have other programs playing it too so >>this bit of "proof" goes out the window, IMO. > >However it played like 7 very poor moves in game 1 and that for every game >except game 6 and game 2 it just made a few (shuffle moves are not good but are >not losing the game sometimes). This doesn't prove anything other than DB didn't play perfect chess, which we already strongly suspect for purely mathematical reasons. What about the Kasparov-Fritz game where Kasparov pawn stormed the queenside and fritz shuffled around for about 20 moves doing absolutely nothing. It refused to push the kingside pawns, perhaps DB would have played better it didn't seem afraid of pushing pawns :) If you want to methodicly produce some evidence that DB was worse than current top crop, then you have to go through some of their games with the same level of scrutiny. >Antonnie just quoted here what was wrong in his eyes, but there is a shitload of >other very poor moves. Well maybe Anthony is no better than me then (no offence:), but IIRC it was you who said black could resign after g5, or something to that effect. I read that as though you agreed with Anthony that g5 was a blunder, but perhaps you just meant that g5 was symptom of how bad black is? >Let me just first tell you that deep blue was very soon out of book. > >Starting with move 3 where it already makes a mistake : > >3 .. Nd7? best is bxf3 diep plays bxf3 and not nd7. >10.. h6? very poor move. lucky diep doesn't play that. 10..e5 looks better > but important is to avoid h6 >11.. Qa5? very poor move, better is for example Qe7 >12.. Bc7? very poor move. A real NULLMOVE >13.. g5? very poor move now there is no way to escape from a zero against > even poor shuffle players >16.. Qb6 this is not the best move >22.. g4? > >I hope you realize Seirawan had an easy job commenting on these games. The bad >moves made are *so* poor, that he has hardly time to give better alternatives >for choice mistakes like 16..Qb6. > >I am sure you do not realize it, but if you play 2 moves like Qb6 against >kasparov in a normal game you're dead. > >Deep Blue plays however 6 completely losing moves in this game so all the poor >moves we do not even discuss here. We just discuss at the utmost beginners level >here. Not even at the higher levels where making wrong choices loses already. Well I don't know if they are completely losing, again it's the general assessments versus concrete analysis. -S. >Best regards, >Vincent
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