Author: James T. Walker
Date: 07:18:11 05/15/04
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On May 14, 2004 at 21:12:12, John Merlino wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>>new interface. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>>> >>>>>>tag >>>>> >>>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>>> >>>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>>computer chess! >>>>> >>>>>jm >>>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >>> >>>To answer your comments: >>> >>>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>>to any desired amount. >>> >>>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>>'personality setting'". >>> >>>jm >> >>Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >>commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >>time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >>unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >>and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >>11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >>opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >>new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >>Jim > >Well, in the SSDF list, CM8000 (K6-2 450) got a 2520, and CM9000 got exactly 200 >points higher on an Athlon 1200MHz. Adjusting for CPU-increase with the loose >but somewhat standard "50 points for each doubling of CPU speed" method, this >roughly equates to about a 100-point increase. > >On this site, a learned person stated his belief that the engine could be >200-300 points better (but that's way too high, IMO): >http://www.logicalchess.com/hcc/reports/CM9000vsFritz6/cmvsfritz.html > >Chessfun's rating list shows a 92-point increase on the same hardware, with >error range in the +/- mid-30s to mid-40s. > >The lowest estimated increase I could find is on Surak's site, which shows a >59-point increase. > >Therefore, I feel pretty confident that the increase is at least 100 points, and >150 is not out of the question. > >jm Hello John, I can only say that I hope you are correct. ChessMaster 9K is my favorite program to play against since I can find several personalities in my rating range. I remain skeptical but anxiously await the new version. Personally I don't need the extra strength but welcome a "real" upgrade. Jim
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