Author: John Merlino
Date: 18:12:12 05/14/04
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On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>> >>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>> >>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>> >>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>new interface. >>>>>> >>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>> >>>>>>jm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>> >>>>>tag >>>> >>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>> >>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>computer chess! >>>> >>>>jm >>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >> >>To answer your comments: >> >>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>to any desired amount. >> >>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>'personality setting'". >> >>jm > >Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >Jim Well, in the SSDF list, CM8000 (K6-2 450) got a 2520, and CM9000 got exactly 200 points higher on an Athlon 1200MHz. Adjusting for CPU-increase with the loose but somewhat standard "50 points for each doubling of CPU speed" method, this roughly equates to about a 100-point increase. On this site, a learned person stated his belief that the engine could be 200-300 points better (but that's way too high, IMO): http://www.logicalchess.com/hcc/reports/CM9000vsFritz6/cmvsfritz.html Chessfun's rating list shows a 92-point increase on the same hardware, with error range in the +/- mid-30s to mid-40s. The lowest estimated increase I could find is on Surak's site, which shows a 59-point increase. Therefore, I feel pretty confident that the increase is at least 100 points, and 150 is not out of the question. jm
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