Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:01:06 05/21/04
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On May 20, 2004 at 20:03:30, Amir Ban wrote: >On May 20, 2004 at 15:10:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 20, 2004 at 11:14:49, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 18:08:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:18:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 17:07:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 16:02:53, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 15:55:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 14:31:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 13:29:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:14:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 06:07:45, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:33:50, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2004 at 05:05:54, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Number 1 favourite is missing, why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hydra is officially from the UAE. As I understood the sponsors do not allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hydra to participate in an event in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Someone please tell me that this is a rumor or missunderstanding. They banned a >>>>>>>>>>>>chess engine from participation due to the country of its creator? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Exactly the opposite. We (organizers) told the Hydra team that they are welcomed >>>>>>>>>>>to play in Israel under the UAE flag. But apparently their sponsors decided that >>>>>>>>>>>they don't want to play in Israel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Last time an engine was banned from participation due to the country of its >>>>>>>>>>>creator was in Jakarta WMCCC 1996. The Junior team was not allowed to play there >>>>>>>>>>>because Junior is an Israeli program. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I was under the impression that was not exactly the truth, the whold truth and >>>>>>>>>>nothing but the truth. In fact, Junior was expected there. I received a phone >>>>>>>>>>call in the wee hours of the morning from Bruce Moreland, asking me to help him >>>>>>>>>>contact Amir since they had not shown up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I believe this was a case of "they didn't feel welcome and chose not to attend >>>>>>>>>>for that reason." IE I can't really fault someone for not wanting to fly a UAE >>>>>>>>>>flag in the middle of Israel either. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So, IMHO it was more a matter of they didn't participate for many good reasons, >>>>>>>>>>but I don't think they were _prevented_ from participating... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Based on what I have read and heard, it was made clear to them that they cannot >>>>>>>>>play under the Israeli flag in Jakarta. In other words, they were prevented from >>>>>>>>>participation. Of course Amir or Shay can correct me if I'm wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Probably was (a) a sane decision to not fly an Israeli flag there and (b) a >>>>>>>>reasonable decision for them not to attend if they could not. As I said, a bit >>>>>>>>of both... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I quoted Shay Bushinsky in the following post: >>>>>>>http://talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?366082 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Based on that, it was not a decision on behalf of the Junior team not to attend, >>>>>>>they were simply *banned* from participation. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>reread what you posted. They were not "banned". >>>>>> >>>>>>Unless you redefine banned to mean something other than "not allowed". As I >>>>>>said, they could have participated, not representing Israel. >>>>> >>>>>"not representing Israel", in other words *banned* from playing as Israeli >>>>>representatives. What's hard to understand about that? >>>> >>>>Are you really that dense, or just acting so to prolong a discussion? >>>> >>>>"banned" means "not allowed to participate, _period_. It does not mean "not >>>>allowed to participate under flag XXX or anything else". It means "not allowed >>>>to participate." >>>> >>>>What is so hard to understand about using _proper_ definitions and terms? >>>> >>>>Yes they were _hindered_ from participating. Or they were even discouraged from >>>>participating. But they were not _banned_ from participating... >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>The Hydra team was explicitly told that they are welcome to play under the UAE >>>>>flag. >>>>> >>>>>P.S. Of course I'm not criticizing the Hydra team, as they wanted to join. The >>>>>guys who prevented that were their UAE sponsors. >>>> >>>>Both decisions to not play are reasonable... >>> >>>And by the way, why is Hydra's political decision not to play in Israel >>>"reasonable"? >>> >>> >>> >> >>If I were asked to participate in a tournament in any Arab nation, do you >>_really_ think I would do so and fly the stars and bars over my monitor? And >>invite every radical in the world to drop by and leave a "gift"... >> >>I can see their point. >> >>There is a major Arab/Israeli conflict going on. I would be no more inclined to >>wave a UAE flag in Israel than I would waving an Israeli flag on the Gaza >>strip... >> > >An Arab flag in Israel would produce no animosity. > >Amir It would produce animosity but the source is arab countries. I cannot blame an arab for not participating when he knows that his country is going to punish him for that. Uri
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