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Subject: Re: SAN v Coordinate v Long SAN

Author: Andrew Wagner

Date: 19:26:19 06/10/04

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On June 10, 2004 at 21:01:00, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>I am going to summarize my viewpoint here, and leave it at that.  Ultimately it
>is your format, so you can do whatever you want with it.  I am just trying to
>give you some advice.
>
>You have 3 options: SAN, Coordinate, and Long SAN
>
>SAN Advantages:          Easy for humans to read
>SAN Disadvantages:       Relatively difficult to parse.  See epd.c.
>
>Coordinate Advantages:   Easy to parse (1 line).
>Coordinate Disadvantage: Difficult for humans to read
>
>Long SAN Advantages:     Pretty easy for humans to understand
>                         Easy to parse (1 line)
>Long SAN Disadvantages:  2 extra characters over coordinate.
>
>You and Russel say that no one is supposed to be reading these files.  I say why
>go out of your way to make it hard?  Why throw away something that you can get
>for free? I can think of any number of scenarios where it would be useful to
>look in the file.  For example, Zappa makes a questionable move, so I go back
>and grep for the move.  Then I can read score, ply, PV, etc.  I don't know about
>you, but I can follow at least 8-10 ply of a PV if it is SAN.
>
>I simply do not see any advantage to coordinate notation over long SAN.  Let me
>make this clear: coordinate is not easier to parse for computers, but it is much
>more difficult for humans to understand.  The *only* advantage of coordinate
>notation that you save 2 bytes.  Coordinate is not too bad when you have the
>board in front of you, but when you are recalling something from memory it is
>much worse.
>
>The (obvious) international solution is simply to allow any piece type.  You are
>free to write Xf3xe5 Vd6-d5 or any other random characters you like.  The piece
>letter is for the human.  The only issue is the promotion type, but you'll have
>to worry about that anyway for coordinate notation.
>
>What it comes down to is this: is there _any_ point where coordinate is better
>than Long SAN?
>
>anthony

Good summary. You make some excellent points, and I'm beginning to favor your
viewpoint a bit more now.



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