Author: Dan Honeycutt
Date: 17:45:55 07/06/04
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On July 06, 2004 at 20:27:47, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On July 06, 2004 at 20:10:32, Dan Honeycutt wrote: > >>On July 06, 2004 at 19:52:18, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:44:57, Dan Honeycutt wrote: >>> >>>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:26:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:17:22, Dan Honeycutt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:51:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:46:10, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:43:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:36:43, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:15:53, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:06:06, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 17:41:05, Dieter Buerssner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Amir, congratulations for the nice game! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have not seen any info about the hardware beeing used by Junior at the current >>>>>>>>>>>>>WCCC. Please tell it to the observers! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>With best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>Dieter >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It's an HP Proliant server. This is all HP is allowing me to say :( >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Amir >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>And this is allowed in accordance with the ICGA rules?? - Mhhhh. Strange. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Why not? Since there is no limit on hardware someone could show up with the >>>>>>>>>>worlds fastest computer and it makes no difference. I would be interested in >>>>>>>>>>the NPS Junior is hitting. While analyzing the game Diep-Junior I saw Junior 8 >>>>>>>>>>hit over 1.6M nps on my XP2400. Bob says he is hitting 8M minimum! >>>>>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So it would be possible that I am connected with the strongest computer in >>>>>>>>>Japan, the second strongest was just bought by the university of >>>>>>>>>BadenWürtemberg, and my fictive Rorybest is completely ok within the rules??? >>>>>>>>>Fine! Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you can write a chess program to take advantage of it's speed I would surely >>>>>>>>love to see it play chess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ok, thanks, although I don't know exactly what this means or what it takes, at >>>>>>>least I can understand that there is no automatical stronger output. Anyway it'a >>>>>>>also a gambler motif I can see here. It's the typical trick we can expect, when >>>>>>>Amir begins to play out his different personality joker in the last rounds - >>>>>>>then you can no longer "prepare" or hope that your counter-tuning has success. >>>>>>>Ok, all from a lay's heart. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>So? More power to Amir. >>>>>>Dan H. >>>>> >>>>>I didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports. It's that >>>>>at least you know in advance what opponents you have. Or if one is a spider or a >>>>>flying eagle. I mean, I must know how I must tune my own baby. If I have a >>>>>chance to equalize the hardware or if I'm so far backwards that it could be >>>>>better to remain in my observer's hut. >>>>> >>>>>Or the other way round: what can I win if I win on the base of my unknown >>>>>hardware advantages? Or the claim of a possible advantage...? Even in boxing >>>>>super heavy weight, where you can have a weight you prefer, everybody can see >>>>>your body as soon as you appear in the ring. >>>>> >>>>>No, I don't buy that this here is fair. Also, that HP forbids to say must be a >>>>>joke, because a company wants PR. >>>> >>>>No need to hurl insults Rolf. >>> >>>Why do you say such things? You think you can disqualify a foreigner? Sad thing >>>to do. I didn't attack _you_! And I didn't "hurl" with my English. But don't >>>expect further replies from my side. This is very insultive what you are doing. >>> >> >>Condescending remarks are every bit as insulting as name calling. Saying "I >>didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports" implies that >>I'm so stupid I don't understand what fair play means. Actually I'm not that >>stupid, I do understand what fair play means and you don't have to explain it. >> >>If my pointing that your insult to me was an insult to you then I apoligize. > >No, let me apologize. I really was unable to express it in proper English what I >wanted to say. Believe me what you found condescenting was in my mind NOT >condescenting but I used a wrong language. I was talking about Amir's >statements. I didn't want to do harm to you. But this I didn't expect was >exactly what you could interprete as that. I must apologize. But believe me when >I say that I didn't want to insult you. More - I'm happy that at last I have a >good example for a typical situation that always can happen when a foreigner >expresses his thoughts. For me my critic of Amir's statement was so clear that I >wrote that I didn't expect... and I didn't mean your different view. Believe it >or not. Please note that I'm typing here in fast speed mode. >The point that insulted _me_ was that you could misunderstand my text as >hurling. But again, I can't decide that with my experience. > >Wouldn't it be better if we would all give us the credits of a doubt, in special >if some of us are writing in a foreign language? You must not see bad intentions >where simply carelessness reigns. Carelessness out of lack of knowledge. believe >me please. > > > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> We simply have difference of opinion - you seem >>>>to think Amir's tactics are unsportsman like, >>> >>> >>>Tactics? To keep secret your hardware is a tactic? >>> >> >>No. I think a tactic is to play a "different personality joker in the last >>rounds - then you can no longer 'prepare' or hope that your counter-tuning has >>success." >> >>He stated that it's HP who set the terms re not revealing the hardware. He has >>to comply with his sponsor > > >Dann already explained that triviality. I couldn't believe it - honestly. I was >sure that it was a joke from Amir. A bad joke to disguise an unfair attempt. > >Thanks for your clarifications. > > >> >>> >>>>I think he should do whatever he >>>>can, within the rules, to increase his program's chances. >>> >>> >>>Fine. If that are the rules, so be it. So everybody should do the same. I can't >>>see the advantage of such a sports event... >>> >>> >> >>We obviously don't agree 100 percent on what constitutes fair play - but who >>says everybody always has to agree? > > >I'm debating on that fundament. Debating is just fun and if you can learn >something so the better. > >But let me also say that it's not ok to turn a bad language usage against a >foreigner. This is by definition false. IMO. I never did that in German. I think >it's the duty of the native speaker to always concern the possible mistakes in >the connotations. Even if you are correct, that this sounds like hurling, you >should reflect that I might haven't noticed it. Thanks again. > > > >> >>Dan H. >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Dan H. Your apology is accepted as is your explanation that it was not your intent to insult me. Having been a member of non English language forums I am quite conscious that misunderstandings can arise due to language differences. And I agree that in such cases the native speaker should take the lead in resolving these misunderstandings. Hopefully we have this one resolved. Dan H.
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