Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 17:27:47 07/06/04
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On July 06, 2004 at 20:10:32, Dan Honeycutt wrote: >On July 06, 2004 at 19:52:18, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On July 06, 2004 at 19:44:57, Dan Honeycutt wrote: >> >>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:26:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:17:22, Dan Honeycutt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:51:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:46:10, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:43:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:36:43, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:15:53, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:06:06, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 17:41:05, Dieter Buerssner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Amir, congratulations for the nice game! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I have not seen any info about the hardware beeing used by Junior at the current >>>>>>>>>>>>WCCC. Please tell it to the observers! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>With best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>Dieter >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It's an HP Proliant server. This is all HP is allowing me to say :( >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Amir >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>And this is allowed in accordance with the ICGA rules?? - Mhhhh. Strange. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Why not? Since there is no limit on hardware someone could show up with the >>>>>>>>>worlds fastest computer and it makes no difference. I would be interested in >>>>>>>>>the NPS Junior is hitting. While analyzing the game Diep-Junior I saw Junior 8 >>>>>>>>>hit over 1.6M nps on my XP2400. Bob says he is hitting 8M minimum! >>>>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So it would be possible that I am connected with the strongest computer in >>>>>>>>Japan, the second strongest was just bought by the university of >>>>>>>>BadenWürtemberg, and my fictive Rorybest is completely ok within the rules??? >>>>>>>>Fine! Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If you can write a chess program to take advantage of it's speed I would surely >>>>>>>love to see it play chess. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok, thanks, although I don't know exactly what this means or what it takes, at >>>>>>least I can understand that there is no automatical stronger output. Anyway it'a >>>>>>also a gambler motif I can see here. It's the typical trick we can expect, when >>>>>>Amir begins to play out his different personality joker in the last rounds - >>>>>>then you can no longer "prepare" or hope that your counter-tuning has success. >>>>>>Ok, all from a lay's heart. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>So? More power to Amir. >>>>>Dan H. >>>> >>>>I didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports. It's that >>>>at least you know in advance what opponents you have. Or if one is a spider or a >>>>flying eagle. I mean, I must know how I must tune my own baby. If I have a >>>>chance to equalize the hardware or if I'm so far backwards that it could be >>>>better to remain in my observer's hut. >>>> >>>>Or the other way round: what can I win if I win on the base of my unknown >>>>hardware advantages? Or the claim of a possible advantage...? Even in boxing >>>>super heavy weight, where you can have a weight you prefer, everybody can see >>>>your body as soon as you appear in the ring. >>>> >>>>No, I don't buy that this here is fair. Also, that HP forbids to say must be a >>>>joke, because a company wants PR. >>> >>>No need to hurl insults Rolf. >> >>Why do you say such things? You think you can disqualify a foreigner? Sad thing >>to do. I didn't attack _you_! And I didn't "hurl" with my English. But don't >>expect further replies from my side. This is very insultive what you are doing. >> > >Condescending remarks are every bit as insulting as name calling. Saying "I >didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports" implies that >I'm so stupid I don't understand what fair play means. Actually I'm not that >stupid, I do understand what fair play means and you don't have to explain it. > >If my pointing that your insult to me was an insult to you then I apoligize. No, let me apologize. I really was unable to express it in proper English what I wanted to say. Believe me what you found condescenting was in my mind NOT condescenting but I used a wrong language. I was talking about Amir's statements. I didn't want to do harm to you. But this I didn't expect was exactly what you could interprete as that. I must apologize. But believe me when I say that I didn't want to insult you. More - I'm happy that at last I have a good example for a typical situation that always can happen when a foreigner expresses his thoughts. For me my critic of Amir's statement was so clear that I wrote that I didn't expect... and I didn't mean your different view. Believe it or not. Please note that I'm typing here in fast speed mode. The point that insulted _me_ was that you could misunderstand my text as hurling. But again, I can't decide that with my experience. Wouldn't it be better if we would all give us the credits of a doubt, in special if some of us are writing in a foreign language? You must not see bad intentions where simply carelessness reigns. Carelessness out of lack of knowledge. believe me please. > >> >> >> >>> We simply have difference of opinion - you seem >>>to think Amir's tactics are unsportsman like, >> >> >>Tactics? To keep secret your hardware is a tactic? >> > >No. I think a tactic is to play a "different personality joker in the last >rounds - then you can no longer 'prepare' or hope that your counter-tuning has >success." > >He stated that it's HP who set the terms re not revealing the hardware. He has >to comply with his sponsor Dann already explained that triviality. I couldn't believe it - honestly. I was sure that it was a joke from Amir. A bad joke to disguise an unfair attempt. Thanks for your clarifications. > >> >>>I think he should do whatever he >>>can, within the rules, to increase his program's chances. >> >> >>Fine. If that are the rules, so be it. So everybody should do the same. I can't >>see the advantage of such a sports event... >> >> > >We obviously don't agree 100 percent on what constitutes fair play - but who >says everybody always has to agree? I'm debating on that fundament. Debating is just fun and if you can learn something so the better. But let me also say that it's not ok to turn a bad language usage against a foreigner. This is by definition false. IMO. I never did that in German. I think it's the duty of the native speaker to always concern the possible mistakes in the connotations. Even if you are correct, that this sounds like hurling, you should reflect that I might haven't noticed it. Thanks again. > >Dan H. > >> >> >>> >>>Dan H.
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