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Subject: Re: Fantastic attack by Junior

Author: Dan Honeycutt

Date: 17:10:32 07/06/04

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On July 06, 2004 at 19:52:18, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On July 06, 2004 at 19:44:57, Dan Honeycutt wrote:
>
>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:26:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>On July 06, 2004 at 19:17:22, Dan Honeycutt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:51:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:46:10, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:43:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:36:43, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:15:53, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:06:06, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 17:41:05, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Amir, congratulations for the nice game!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I have not seen any info about the hardware beeing used by Junior at the current
>>>>>>>>>>>WCCC. Please tell it to the observers!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>With best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>Dieter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's an HP Proliant server. This is all HP is allowing me to say :(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Amir
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And this is allowed in accordance with the ICGA rules?? - Mhhhh. Strange.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why not?  Since there is no limit on hardware someone could show up with the
>>>>>>>>worlds fastest computer and it makes no difference.  I would be interested in
>>>>>>>>the NPS Junior is hitting.  While analyzing the game Diep-Junior I saw Junior 8
>>>>>>>>hit over 1.6M nps on my XP2400.  Bob says he is hitting 8M minimum!
>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So it would be possible that I am connected with the strongest computer in
>>>>>>>Japan, the second strongest was just bought by the university of
>>>>>>>BadenWürtemberg, and my fictive Rorybest is completely ok within the rules???
>>>>>>>Fine! Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you can write a chess program to take advantage of it's speed I would surely
>>>>>>love to see it play chess.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, thanks, although I don't know exactly what this means or what it takes, at
>>>>>least I can understand that there is no automatical stronger output. Anyway it'a
>>>>>also a gambler motif I can see here. It's the typical trick we can expect, when
>>>>>Amir begins to play out his different personality joker in the last rounds -
>>>>>then you can no longer "prepare" or hope that your counter-tuning has success.
>>>>>Ok, all from a lay's heart. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So?  More power to Amir.
>>>>Dan H.
>>>
>>>I didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports. It's that
>>>at least you know in advance what opponents you have. Or if one is a spider or a
>>>flying eagle. I mean, I must know how I must tune my own baby. If I have a
>>>chance to equalize the hardware or if I'm so far backwards that it could be
>>>better to remain in my observer's hut.
>>>
>>>Or the other way round: what can I win if I win on the base of my unknown
>>>hardware advantages? Or the claim of a possible advantage...? Even in boxing
>>>super heavy weight, where you can have a weight you prefer, everybody can see
>>>your body as soon as you appear in the ring.
>>>
>>>No, I don't buy that this here is fair. Also, that HP forbids to say must be a
>>>joke, because a company wants PR.
>>
>>No need to hurl insults Rolf.
>
>Why do you say such things? You think you can disqualify a foreigner? Sad thing
>to do. I didn't attack _you_! And I didn't "hurl" with my English. But don't
>expect further replies from my side. This is very insultive what you are doing.
>

Condescending remarks are every bit as insulting as name calling.  Saying "I
didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports" implies that
I'm so stupid I don't understand what fair play means.  Actually I'm not that
stupid, I do understand what fair play means and you don't have to explain it.

If my pointing that your insult to me was an insult to you then I apoligize.

>
>
>
>> We simply have difference of opinion - you seem
>>to think Amir's tactics are unsportsman like,
>
>
>Tactics? To keep secret your hardware is a tactic?
>

No.  I think a tactic is to play a "different personality joker in the last
rounds - then you can no longer 'prepare' or hope that your counter-tuning has
success."

He stated that it's HP who set the terms re not revealing the hardware.  He has
to comply with his sponsor

>
>>I think he should do whatever he
>>can, within the rules, to increase his program's chances.
>
>
>Fine. If that are the rules, so be it. So everybody should do the same. I can't
>see the advantage of such a sports event...
>
>

We obviously don't agree 100 percent on what constitutes fair play - but who
says everybody always has to agree?

Dan H.

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>>Dan H.



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