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Subject: Re: Here is a very common position that most Grandmaster would not trade

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 13:06:47 08/02/04

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On August 02, 2004 at 15:22:44, Richard Pijl wrote:

>On August 02, 2004 at 13:38:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On August 02, 2004 at 12:42:16, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On August 02, 2004 at 12:28:11, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 11:10:35, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 09:23:03, Peter Fendrich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 09:18:37, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Poor Baron.  We all know that KBN-K arises in _every_ game.  Why, not being able
>>>>>>>to win that endgame must be worth almost 0.0001 elo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>anthony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OTOH it's quite easy to implement so the "achieved elo"/"devolpment time"
>>>>>>is not that bad...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>/Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, but Jorge acts like the sky is falling.
>>>>>
>>>>>anthony
>>>>
>>>>It only take a GM to know the opponent weakness to force X program to accept an
>>>>exchange. For instance the GM could have a significant losing game by having a
>>>>Rook and a pawn versus the program with two knights and two Bishops. But if the
>>>>GM human player knows that the program doesn't know how to Mate with a KBN vs K,
>>>>all that he has to do is force the exchange of his rook and pawn for one of his
>>>>bishop and knight, and the rest will end in a 50 moves draw :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>PS: There could be different possibilities with different pieces combinations.
>>>Another possibility could be the GM human having a bishop and three pawns versus
>>>the program with two bishops + Knight and three pawns. If the GM force the
>>>program to exchange its three pawns and one of its bishop for his three pawns and
>>>one of his bishop. Or 2nd escenario the GM with a knight and three pawns versus
>>>program X with two knights a bishop and three pawns, again as long as the human
>>>GM knows he can force the program to exchange his three pawns and a knight for
>>>his three pawns and his knight.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here is another very common position, if  it is white to move after the black
>>pawn is taken at d5 by program X, all that a human GM has has to do is take the
>>piece at d5 and the final position will end up with a King, bishop and knight
>>vesus a lonely king :-)
>>
>>[D]8/5q2/3k4/3p4/5N2/1N6/1K4B1/2B5 w - - 0 1
>
>
>After the correction I made last night, this position is no problem. I did a
>little shootout between Baron without EGTB's and Baron with them (to play the
>best moves with the lone king) with 5 minutes on a P4-2.4. Although it didn't
>find the mate in the optimal number of moves, it was well within the 50 moves
>(in fact, in 31 moves after the exchange).
>Richard.


Thanks for sharing that info. I wish your program the best wednesday against GM
Levon. This is the way that I see it, back in the 93 I believe it was, Chess
Genius beat Kasparov in a Blitz match. At that time Chess Genius was not better
than Baron, and GM Levon is NOT as good as Kasparov was then. I only wish that
GM Peter Svidler can play two games vs Baron too.


Pichard





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