Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 13:06:47 08/02/04
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On August 02, 2004 at 15:22:44, Richard Pijl wrote: >On August 02, 2004 at 13:38:40, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On August 02, 2004 at 12:42:16, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On August 02, 2004 at 12:28:11, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On August 02, 2004 at 11:10:35, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 09:23:03, Peter Fendrich wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 09:18:37, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Poor Baron. We all know that KBN-K arises in _every_ game. Why, not being able >>>>>>>to win that endgame must be worth almost 0.0001 elo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>anthony >>>>>> >>>>>>OTOH it's quite easy to implement so the "achieved elo"/"devolpment time" >>>>>>is not that bad... >>>>>> >>>>>>/Peter >>>>> >>>>>Of course, but Jorge acts like the sky is falling. >>>>> >>>>>anthony >>>> >>>>It only take a GM to know the opponent weakness to force X program to accept an >>>>exchange. For instance the GM could have a significant losing game by having a >>>>Rook and a pawn versus the program with two knights and two Bishops. But if the >>>>GM human player knows that the program doesn't know how to Mate with a KBN vs K, >>>>all that he has to do is force the exchange of his rook and pawn for one of his >>>>bishop and knight, and the rest will end in a 50 moves draw :-) >>>> >>> >>>PS: There could be different possibilities with different pieces combinations. >>>Another possibility could be the GM human having a bishop and three pawns versus >>>the program with two bishops + Knight and three pawns. If the GM force the >>>program to exchange its three pawns and one of its bishop for his three pawns and >>>one of his bishop. Or 2nd escenario the GM with a knight and three pawns versus >>>program X with two knights a bishop and three pawns, again as long as the human >>>GM knows he can force the program to exchange his three pawns and a knight for >>>his three pawns and his knight. >> >> >> >>Here is another very common position, if it is white to move after the black >>pawn is taken at d5 by program X, all that a human GM has has to do is take the >>piece at d5 and the final position will end up with a King, bishop and knight >>vesus a lonely king :-) >> >>[D]8/5q2/3k4/3p4/5N2/1N6/1K4B1/2B5 w - - 0 1 > > >After the correction I made last night, this position is no problem. I did a >little shootout between Baron without EGTB's and Baron with them (to play the >best moves with the lone king) with 5 minutes on a P4-2.4. Although it didn't >find the mate in the optimal number of moves, it was well within the 50 moves >(in fact, in 31 moves after the exchange). >Richard. Thanks for sharing that info. I wish your program the best wednesday against GM Levon. This is the way that I see it, back in the 93 I believe it was, Chess Genius beat Kasparov in a Blitz match. At that time Chess Genius was not better than Baron, and GM Levon is NOT as good as Kasparov was then. I only wish that GM Peter Svidler can play two games vs Baron too. Pichard
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