Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 14:35:13 08/02/04
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On August 02, 2004 at 16:06:47, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>On August 02, 2004 at 15:22:44, Richard Pijl wrote:
>
>>On August 02, 2004 at 13:38:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On August 02, 2004 at 12:42:16, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 12:28:11, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 11:10:35, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 09:23:03, Peter Fendrich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 09:18:37, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Poor Baron. We all know that KBN-K arises in _every_ game. Why, not being able
>>>>>>>>to win that endgame must be worth almost 0.0001 elo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>anthony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OTOH it's quite easy to implement so the "achieved elo"/"devolpment time"
>>>>>>>is not that bad...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>/Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course, but Jorge acts like the sky is falling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>anthony
>>>>>
>>>>>It only take a GM to know the opponent weakness to force X program to accept an
>>>>>exchange. For instance the GM could have a significant losing game by having a
>>>>>Rook and a pawn versus the program with two knights and two Bishops. But if the
>>>>>GM human player knows that the program doesn't know how to Mate with a KBN vs K,
>>>>>all that he has to do is force the exchange of his rook and pawn for one of his
>>>>>bishop and knight, and the rest will end in a 50 moves draw :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PS: There could be different possibilities with different pieces combinations.
>>>>Another possibility could be the GM human having a bishop and three pawns versus
>>>>the program with two bishops + Knight and three pawns. If the GM force the
>>>>program to exchange its three pawns and one of its bishop for his three pawns and
>>>>one of his bishop. Or 2nd escenario the GM with a knight and three pawns versus
>>>>program X with two knights a bishop and three pawns, again as long as the human
>>>>GM knows he can force the program to exchange his three pawns and a knight for
>>>>his three pawns and his knight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is another very common position, if it is white to move after the black
>>>pawn is taken at d5 by program X, all that a human GM has has to do is take the
>>>piece at d5 and the final position will end up with a King, bishop and knight
>>>vesus a lonely king :-)
>>>
>>>[D]8/5q2/3k4/3p4/5N2/1N6/1K4B1/2B5 w - - 0 1
>>
>>
>>After the correction I made last night, this position is no problem. I did a
>>little shootout between Baron without EGTB's and Baron with them (to play the
>>best moves with the lone king) with 5 minutes on a P4-2.4. Although it didn't
>>find the mate in the optimal number of moves, it was well within the 50 moves
>>(in fact, in 31 moves after the exchange).
>>Richard.
>
>
>Thanks for sharing that info. I wish your program the best wednesday against GM
>Levon. This is the way that I see it, back in the 93 I believe it was, Chess
>Genius beat Kasparov in a Blitz match. At that time Chess Genius was not better
>than Baron, and GM Levon is NOT as good as Kasparov was then. I only wish that
>GM Peter Svidler can play two games vs Baron too.
>
>
>Pichard
Here is that same position that I played against Movei00_8_251s:
[Event "Computer Schach Partie"]
[Site "S0025128408"]
[Date "2004.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Movei00_8_251s"]
[Black "Pichard"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "1950"]
[Time "21:16:24"]
[TimeControl "300+0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "[D]8/5q2/3k4/3p4/5N2/1N6/1K4B1/2B5 w - - 0 1 "]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "104"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]
1.Bxd5 Qxd5 2.Nxd5 {+7.64/11 3} Kxd5 3.Kc3 {+7.64/11 8} Ke4 4.Kc4 {+7.69/11 13}
Kf3 5.Kd3 {+7.76/10 6} Kf2 6.Ke4 {+7.76/10 6} Kg3 7.Nd2 {+7.81/10 9} Kf2 8.Nb1
{+7.81/11 11} Kg3 9.Nc3 {+7.81/10 7} Kf2 10.Be3+ {+7.86/10 10} Kg3 11.Nd1
{+7.88/9 3} Kg2
12.Bf4 {+7.97/10 4} Kh3 13.Ne3 {+7.97/11 13} Kh4 14.Ke5 {+7.97/10 4} Kh3 15.Kf6
{+7.97/11 10} Kh4 16.Be5 {+7.97/10 5} Kh3 17.Bd6 {+7.92/10 7} Kh4 18.Bf4
{+7.97/10 7} Kh3
19.Bc7 {+7.93/10 6} Kh4 20.Bb8 {+7.97/10 6} Kh3 21.Kf5 {+7.92/10 6} Kh4 22.Kg6
{+7.97/9 2} Kh3 23.Bd6 {+7.92/10 4} Kh4 24.Be5 {+7.97/10 7} Kh3 25.Bc7 {+7.92/10
9} Kh4
26.Kf6 {+7.97/10 5} Kh3 27.Bb8 {+7.92/10 8} Kh4 28.Kf5 {+7.97/10 4} Kh3 29.Bc7
{+7.92/10 6} Kh4 30.Nc2 {+7.92/9 3} Kh3 31.Ne1 {+7.97/9 2} Kh4 32.Bf4 {+7.97/9
3} Kh3
33.Bd6 {+7.97/9 2} Kh4 34.Bc7 {+7.92/8 2} Kh3 35.Be5 {+7.92/9 2} Kh4 36.Bh2
{+7.92/9
3} Kh3 37.Bf4 {+7.97/10 1} Kh4 38.Ng2+ {+7.87/9 2} Kh3 39.Ne3 {+7.97/11 1} Kh4
40.Be5 {+7.97/9 1} Kh3 41.Bd6 {+7.93/9 3} Kh4 42.Kf6 {+7.97/9 4} Kh3 43.Ke6
{+7.93/9
2} Kh4 44.Kf5 {+7.97/9 3} Kh3 45.Kf4 {+7.86/9 2} Kh2 46.Kg4+ {+8.09/8 1} Kg1
47.Bg3 {+8.09/9 1} Kh1 48.Bb8 {+8.21/9 1} Kg1 49.Kg3 {0.00/9 2} Kh1 50.Be5
{0.00/8}
Kg1 51.Kf3 {0.00/18 1} Kh1 52.Nd5 {0.00/63 1} Kg1 {50 moves rule} 1/2-1/2
Here was the final Position after the 50 moves rule against Movei :-)
[D]8/8/8/3NB3/8/5K2/8/6k1 w - - 100 53
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