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Subject: Re: [OT] Development Release: Mandrakelinux 10.1 beta 1 [OT]

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 09:22:08 08/11/04

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On August 11, 2004 at 10:42:29, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On August 11, 2004 at 03:30:07, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>On August 10, 2004 at 23:20:37, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On August 10, 2004 at 13:12:21, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 12:14:32, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 09:55:57, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 09:01:11, James Swafford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 05:12:57, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you're a man about this you would stop releasing tiger for that buggy
>>>>>>>>platform altogether........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Believing a product is superior and becoming a martyr for its cause
>>>>>>>are two very different things.  Not supporting Windows would be
>>>>>>>suicide for the Tiger project, and no one would win from it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's kind of like freedom of religion.  I "know" my beliefs are
>>>>>>>correct, but I have to respect your freedom to make the same
>>>>>>>choice- I can't force you.  I can poke you once in a while and
>>>>>>>try to get you to see things from my perspective, but I won't
>>>>>>>resort to nailing the doors on your church shut to get you to
>>>>>>>come to mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, but poking him about his church, while at the same time selling things he
>>>>>>can use in his church seems a bit "unconvincing" :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>To the simple minded, yes.
>>>>
>>>>He, you're not being nasty to me, just because my word jokes don't hold very
>>>>well on translation, are you ? ;)
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Trying to picture me as hypocrite or disturbed by saying that I am promoting the
>>>merits of Linux at every occasion while I am selling a Windows version of Tiger
>>>is typically the kind of argument a politician would love: no matter how wrong
>>>and off the argument is, it looks seducing because it will talk to simple minded
>>>people.
>>>
>>>Hence the "simple minded" in my answer.
>>>
>>>So I'm not nasty, I'm just telling you what I think about your argument. It's
>>>the kind of argument that comes to mind at first thought. I just hope that you
>>>are able to have the second thought that sends it where it belongs: to the trash
>>>bin.
>>
>>I'm sorry I offended you, didn't mean to do that.
>>
>>2 things.
>>
>>1. My reply was meant as a jokish remark. The poster referenced to the church. I
>>know the english term is "religious believes" but I didn't want to say
>>"unbelievable" since that seemed to harsh. In dutch the term would be something
>>like "religious convincement" so I choose "unconvincing" wich turned out to be
>>just as bad :(
>>
>>2. I know (not personnal but from what other people write) you do a good job
>>supporting Tiger for windows, wich is what matters, not wether you would rather
>>be supporting it on a different OS.
>>The remark was at no point personally meant at you but to people selling you
>>windows software and then when it doesn't work, complain: It's not my software
>>that is wrong, it's the operating system. Well, can be, but you are selling it.
>>
>>But ( while not being personal at all ), your remarks against windows don't seem
>>to be for "advanced minded" either, and people can be offended by it (basicly
>>being called stupid for using it). They respond by equally simple minded
>>remarks, and then you suddenly take it personal. You could have seen this
>>coming. ( Dutch saying: he who sows wind, will harvest storms)
>>
>>All in all, my appoligies, since my words should have been more clearly adresses
>>to certain "Windows sucks, Linux great" callers, rather than suggest they were
>>meant to you.
>>
>>Tony
>
>
>
>No problem Tony.
>
>I did not think I was offending Windows users. I just wanted to bring to their
>attention the fact that the system they use is probably not the system they
>would use if they had been given more information about what's out there, and if
>they had been given the opportunity to CHOOSE the OS of their computer.
>
>Eventually it looks like a form of Stockholm syndrom

It may be a more simple case of ignorance, like my own. I just don't know the
shortcomings of Windows. I use it and I never think of it. I don't doubt there
are shortcomings, but it just happens that I don't know them, and I assume most
people don't either. There you have a happy idiot.

There is also the issue of compatibility with programs and drivers. For
instance, a few days ago I had to install a driver for a Lacie screen
calibrator: I connected the calibrator with its USB cable, I read a message
asking me to insert a CD, I did and it all worked fine. Would I have been
equally succesful if I were using LInux instead of Windows? Don't forget that I
don't want to fiddle with operating systems, just to use that calibrator.

Enrique

>: people have been somehow
>forced to use Windows, have to suffer from its shortcomings every day (and have
>been for the past 15 years), but nevertheless they will defend this product if
>someone attacks it.
>
>I will think about it.
>
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>
>    Christophe
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>>>    Christophe
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>>>>>    Christophe



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