Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 10:13:53 08/12/04
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On August 11, 2004 at 12:22:08, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>On August 11, 2004 at 10:42:29, Christophe Theron wrote:
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>>On August 11, 2004 at 03:30:07, Tony Werten wrote:
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>>>On August 10, 2004 at 23:20:37, Christophe Theron wrote:
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>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 13:12:21, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 12:14:32, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 09:55:57, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 09:01:11, James Swafford wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 05:12:57, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you're a man about this you would stop releasing tiger for that buggy
>>>>>>>>>platform altogether........
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Believing a product is superior and becoming a martyr for its cause
>>>>>>>>are two very different things. Not supporting Windows would be
>>>>>>>>suicide for the Tiger project, and no one would win from it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's kind of like freedom of religion. I "know" my beliefs are
>>>>>>>>correct, but I have to respect your freedom to make the same
>>>>>>>>choice- I can't force you. I can poke you once in a while and
>>>>>>>>try to get you to see things from my perspective, but I won't
>>>>>>>>resort to nailing the doors on your church shut to get you to
>>>>>>>>come to mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, but poking him about his church, while at the same time selling things he
>>>>>>>can use in his church seems a bit "unconvincing" :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To the simple minded, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>He, you're not being nasty to me, just because my word jokes don't hold very
>>>>>well on translation, are you ? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Trying to picture me as hypocrite or disturbed by saying that I am promoting the
>>>>merits of Linux at every occasion while I am selling a Windows version of Tiger
>>>>is typically the kind of argument a politician would love: no matter how wrong
>>>>and off the argument is, it looks seducing because it will talk to simple minded
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>>Hence the "simple minded" in my answer.
>>>>
>>>>So I'm not nasty, I'm just telling you what I think about your argument. It's
>>>>the kind of argument that comes to mind at first thought. I just hope that you
>>>>are able to have the second thought that sends it where it belongs: to the trash
>>>>bin.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry I offended you, didn't mean to do that.
>>>
>>>2 things.
>>>
>>>1. My reply was meant as a jokish remark. The poster referenced to the church. I
>>>know the english term is "religious believes" but I didn't want to say
>>>"unbelievable" since that seemed to harsh. In dutch the term would be something
>>>like "religious convincement" so I choose "unconvincing" wich turned out to be
>>>just as bad :(
>>>
>>>2. I know (not personnal but from what other people write) you do a good job
>>>supporting Tiger for windows, wich is what matters, not wether you would rather
>>>be supporting it on a different OS.
>>>The remark was at no point personally meant at you but to people selling you
>>>windows software and then when it doesn't work, complain: It's not my software
>>>that is wrong, it's the operating system. Well, can be, but you are selling it.
>>>
>>>But ( while not being personal at all ), your remarks against windows don't seem
>>>to be for "advanced minded" either, and people can be offended by it (basicly
>>>being called stupid for using it). They respond by equally simple minded
>>>remarks, and then you suddenly take it personal. You could have seen this
>>>coming. ( Dutch saying: he who sows wind, will harvest storms)
>>>
>>>All in all, my appoligies, since my words should have been more clearly adresses
>>>to certain "Windows sucks, Linux great" callers, rather than suggest they were
>>>meant to you.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>No problem Tony.
>>
>>I did not think I was offending Windows users. I just wanted to bring to their
>>attention the fact that the system they use is probably not the system they
>>would use if they had been given more information about what's out there, and if
>>they had been given the opportunity to CHOOSE the OS of their computer.
>>
>>Eventually it looks like a form of Stockholm syndrom
>
>It may be a more simple case of ignorance, like my own. I just don't know the
>shortcomings of Windows. I use it and I never think of it. I don't doubt there
>are shortcomings, but it just happens that I don't know them, and I assume most
>people don't either. There you have a happy idiot.
That's why some people who have the information have to be a little bit overly
vocal about it. :)
>There is also the issue of compatibility with programs and drivers. For
>instance, a few days ago I had to install a driver for a Lacie screen
>calibrator: I connected the calibrator with its USB cable, I read a message
>asking me to insert a CD, I did and it all worked fine. Would I have been
>equally succesful if I were using LInux instead of Windows? Don't forget that I
>don't want to fiddle with operating systems, just to use that calibrator.
You would most probably have had some problems with your calibrator under Linux,
because I assume that the manufacturer of the hardware has not written any
driver for Linux.
This is the manufacturer's fault, not Linux', however from the user's point of
view Linux will look inferior here.
This will change as more and more people start using Linux, because for example
their company understands that on many workstations you definitely do not need
to pay for an expensive copy of Windows and the forced hardware upgrade that
comes with it.
More people using Linux will mean more people NOT buying the hardware that does
not come with some kind of Linux support. The manufacturers of such hardware
will have to think about the lost market shares.
Another promising way is to add "wrappers" in Linux that will allow to use
Windows device drivers. Such a solution already exists for Wifi network
interface cards. I have a Wifi PCMCIA card for which no Linux driver exists.
With a small module called "ndiswrapper" I have been able to install the Windows
driver of the Wifi card on my Linux computer, and it now works perfectly!
Christophe
>Enrique
>
>>: people have been somehow
>>forced to use Windows, have to suffer from its shortcomings every day (and have
>>been for the past 15 years), but nevertheless they will defend this product if
>>someone attacks it.
>>
>>I will think about it.
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