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Subject: Re: Sempron vs. Athlon 64: Proof that Crafty's working set is < 256k

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 18:22:30 08/22/04

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On August 22, 2004 at 18:24:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 22, 2004 at 17:20:08, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On August 22, 2004 at 11:18:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 22, 2004 at 03:11:59, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 21, 2004 at 17:48:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That is _all_ I have said.  I don't know what my working set is.  I don't care
>>>>>what it is.  I do know that for two different testers, bigger cache was faster,
>>>>>for Tom it wasn't.  Why that is I have no idea, I really don't care, and I don't
>>>>>see any point in investigating further.
>>>>
>>>>I didn't test 256k to 512k at all, remember? That was from a hardware review
>>>>site that I have nothing to do with.
>>>>
>>>>I did run the 512k to 1024k experiment and my dual proc experiment, both of
>>>>which confirm the conclusion that I drew from Anandtech's data.
>>>>
>>>>-Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>OK.  My error.  However, Anandtech doesn't have a stellar reputation of late
>>>with regards to such tests.  See their gaffe with TSCP.
>>
>>In the TSCP case, they were compiling TSCP themselves and not running the same
>>binary on both systems. Since the Sempron is all but identical to the Athlon 64,
>>I have no reason to believe that they mis-built Crafty for each system in such a
>>way that the speed was identical.
>>
>>>I have personally run 512K 1024K and 2048K.  And I saw results from 1.5MB and
>>>3.0MB when Eugene ran his tests.  All the AMDs I have access to are opterons
>>>with 1024K of L2:
>>
>>Your data is crap. It's old and it's not reproducable. Even if I cared about old
>>versions of Crafty and had a bunch of Xeons, you won't tell us what version you
>>were using. (Or even give us a range of versions you might have been using.)
>
>
>Exactly how would I know?  But "my data is crap"?  From someone that says the
>executable needs 5mb of ram when default has 4mb for hash before you even get
>started with other stuff?

Hey, it's your program, not mine. You explain why I see "5,192 K" on my computer
screen right now.

Besides, questioning my credibility doesn't improve your own credibility.

>> I'm
>>inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt because Eugene also saw an
>>increase, but I don't see how it matters anyway because now we have recent data
>>from two new independent sources (namely Anandtech and myself).
>
>Exactly what did anandtech use?  Note that Eugene's data wasn't 4 years old.

Here's an entire web page about exactly what they used:

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2170

-Tom



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