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Subject: Re: Hydra is the perfect machine to cruch Kramnik or Kasparov

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 23:59:12 08/24/04

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On August 24, 2004 at 22:40:53, Daniel Jackson wrote:

>On August 24, 2004 at 22:24:40, Derek Paquette wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2004 at 22:12:18, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>>>On August 24, 2004 at 20:48:26, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 24, 2004 at 20:33:08, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 24, 2004 at 15:50:20, Pallav Nawani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 24, 2004 at 14:22:10, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hydra is the perfect machine to cruch Kramnik or Kasparov due to the fact that
>>>>>>>Hydra is NOT commercial like Deeper Blue. I wonder if Hydra is already stronger
>>>>>>>than Deeper Blue, only if the owner of Deeper Blue can makes it available to
>>>>>>>play a match against Hydra.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reality check:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Hydra beat Shredder due to its superior hardware.
>>>>>>2. Human Vs Machine (like Kasparove Vs Deep Blue) games always have dice loaded
>>>>>>in favour of machines:
>>>>>>   (a) You can study all the games Kasparove played and accordingly plan your
>>>>>>openings/tweak your playing style, while Kasparove gets to analyze _none_ of the
>>>>>>deep blue games. This is a strong (and unfair) advantage.
>>>>>>   (b) Computer programs can use tablebases, allowing them perfect play in
>>>>>>endings - access to extra knowledge which humans don't have. Can Kasparov
>>>>>>consult a ending book during a match?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Give kasparov 100 Hydra games to analyze & then play a match against him. He
>>>>>>will bury Hydra. He was able to go toe to toe with deep blue, a machine a order
>>>>>>of magnitude faster than Hydra. He can defintely handle Hydra.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Pallav
>>>>>
>>>>>Some information for you,
>>>>>Hydra has ALREADY played more games than kasparov will play in his lifetime on
>>>>>the playchess server under several accounts,
>>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov CAN study hydra games
>>>>>
>>>>>If he does, he will realize he cannot win, and decline the match offer, as it
>>>>>has become clear that humans no longer have the ability to punish, crush or beat
>>>>>computers in a tournament time control match.
>>>>
>>>>I tend to agree
>>>>
>>>>But it sure would be fun to watch no matter who wins
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Ah...do you people remember how stupid Kasparov made Deep Fritz look in Game 3?
>>>That type of chess will make all programs look pretty lame.
>>>
>>>
>>>Too bad more GM's wouldn't bother with this forum, but that is partly due to the
>>>arrogance they read, like the above.
>>>
>>>Hydra is an oversized chess computer, nothing more nothing less. It's _not_
>>>unbeatable, it's not a god....it's circuits, boards, and wires, with programed
>>>data flowing through it....it is fast, but nothing compared to human wetware
>>>when properly tuned!
>>
>>How could you possibly write that?
>
>Why? I've knocked down comps and so have other strong players here, you have to
>know how to knock comps down, and it can at times be very hard and sometimes
>not.
>>ICC and playchess are PERFECT real life examples of how computers are completely
>>dominating humans in chess
>
>Better they play them in person...the net isn't a good example.

I forget that having the computer next to you increases your elo by 300 points
rather than having it 2,000 miles away.. ;)



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