Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 23:59:12 08/24/04
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On August 24, 2004 at 22:40:53, Daniel Jackson wrote: >On August 24, 2004 at 22:24:40, Derek Paquette wrote: > >>On August 24, 2004 at 22:12:18, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2004 at 20:48:26, Thomas Logan wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2004 at 20:33:08, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2004 at 15:50:20, Pallav Nawani wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 24, 2004 at 14:22:10, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hydra is the perfect machine to cruch Kramnik or Kasparov due to the fact that >>>>>>>Hydra is NOT commercial like Deeper Blue. I wonder if Hydra is already stronger >>>>>>>than Deeper Blue, only if the owner of Deeper Blue can makes it available to >>>>>>>play a match against Hydra. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>Reality check: >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Hydra beat Shredder due to its superior hardware. >>>>>>2. Human Vs Machine (like Kasparove Vs Deep Blue) games always have dice loaded >>>>>>in favour of machines: >>>>>> (a) You can study all the games Kasparove played and accordingly plan your >>>>>>openings/tweak your playing style, while Kasparove gets to analyze _none_ of the >>>>>>deep blue games. This is a strong (and unfair) advantage. >>>>>> (b) Computer programs can use tablebases, allowing them perfect play in >>>>>>endings - access to extra knowledge which humans don't have. Can Kasparov >>>>>>consult a ending book during a match? >>>>>> >>>>>>Give kasparov 100 Hydra games to analyze & then play a match against him. He >>>>>>will bury Hydra. He was able to go toe to toe with deep blue, a machine a order >>>>>>of magnitude faster than Hydra. He can defintely handle Hydra. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Pallav >>>>> >>>>>Some information for you, >>>>>Hydra has ALREADY played more games than kasparov will play in his lifetime on >>>>>the playchess server under several accounts, >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov CAN study hydra games >>>>> >>>>>If he does, he will realize he cannot win, and decline the match offer, as it >>>>>has become clear that humans no longer have the ability to punish, crush or beat >>>>>computers in a tournament time control match. >>>> >>>>I tend to agree >>>> >>>>But it sure would be fun to watch no matter who wins >>>> >>>>Tom >>> >>>Ah...do you people remember how stupid Kasparov made Deep Fritz look in Game 3? >>>That type of chess will make all programs look pretty lame. >>> >>> >>>Too bad more GM's wouldn't bother with this forum, but that is partly due to the >>>arrogance they read, like the above. >>> >>>Hydra is an oversized chess computer, nothing more nothing less. It's _not_ >>>unbeatable, it's not a god....it's circuits, boards, and wires, with programed >>>data flowing through it....it is fast, but nothing compared to human wetware >>>when properly tuned! >> >>How could you possibly write that? > >Why? I've knocked down comps and so have other strong players here, you have to >know how to knock comps down, and it can at times be very hard and sometimes >not. >>ICC and playchess are PERFECT real life examples of how computers are completely >>dominating humans in chess > >Better they play them in person...the net isn't a good example. I forget that having the computer next to you increases your elo by 300 points rather than having it 2,000 miles away.. ;)
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