Author: Daniel Jackson
Date: 19:40:53 08/24/04
Go up one level in this thread
On August 24, 2004 at 22:24:40, Derek Paquette wrote: >On August 24, 2004 at 22:12:18, Daniel Jackson wrote: > >>On August 24, 2004 at 20:48:26, Thomas Logan wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2004 at 20:33:08, Derek Paquette wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2004 at 15:50:20, Pallav Nawani wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2004 at 14:22:10, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hydra is the perfect machine to cruch Kramnik or Kasparov due to the fact that >>>>>>Hydra is NOT commercial like Deeper Blue. I wonder if Hydra is already stronger >>>>>>than Deeper Blue, only if the owner of Deeper Blue can makes it available to >>>>>>play a match against Hydra. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jorge >>>>> >>>>>Reality check: >>>>> >>>>>1. Hydra beat Shredder due to its superior hardware. >>>>>2. Human Vs Machine (like Kasparove Vs Deep Blue) games always have dice loaded >>>>>in favour of machines: >>>>> (a) You can study all the games Kasparove played and accordingly plan your >>>>>openings/tweak your playing style, while Kasparove gets to analyze _none_ of the >>>>>deep blue games. This is a strong (and unfair) advantage. >>>>> (b) Computer programs can use tablebases, allowing them perfect play in >>>>>endings - access to extra knowledge which humans don't have. Can Kasparov >>>>>consult a ending book during a match? >>>>> >>>>>Give kasparov 100 Hydra games to analyze & then play a match against him. He >>>>>will bury Hydra. He was able to go toe to toe with deep blue, a machine a order >>>>>of magnitude faster than Hydra. He can defintely handle Hydra. >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Pallav >>>> >>>>Some information for you, >>>>Hydra has ALREADY played more games than kasparov will play in his lifetime on >>>>the playchess server under several accounts, >>>> >>>>Kasparov CAN study hydra games >>>> >>>>If he does, he will realize he cannot win, and decline the match offer, as it >>>>has become clear that humans no longer have the ability to punish, crush or beat >>>>computers in a tournament time control match. >>> >>>I tend to agree >>> >>>But it sure would be fun to watch no matter who wins >>> >>>Tom >> >>Ah...do you people remember how stupid Kasparov made Deep Fritz look in Game 3? >>That type of chess will make all programs look pretty lame. >> >> >>Too bad more GM's wouldn't bother with this forum, but that is partly due to the >>arrogance they read, like the above. >> >>Hydra is an oversized chess computer, nothing more nothing less. It's _not_ >>unbeatable, it's not a god....it's circuits, boards, and wires, with programed >>data flowing through it....it is fast, but nothing compared to human wetware >>when properly tuned! > >How could you possibly write that? Why? I've knocked down comps and so have other strong players here, you have to know how to knock comps down, and it can at times be very hard and sometimes not. >ICC and playchess are PERFECT real life examples of how computers are completely >dominating humans in chess Better they play them in person...the net isn't a good example. > >Yes there are specific examples of how computers have been made to look stupid, >yes there have been specific examples of how computers have made the 'not so >great' move > >How many times have GM's lost vs a program compared to how many times they have >won? More than you seem aware of. > >Nigel Short and many other Gm's outright refuse to play computers on playchess? >If they could blow the programs off the board, they would. >If you say, "but they aren't making money off of it, so why would they?" well >they don't vs humans either, they just play them on the server. Think about what your wrote for awhile....ok? > >Kasparov had the frtiz AND junior programs before he played them, >he had a team with a huge magnifine glass looking at these programs to find a >weakness, > >And he managed....a draw. And you think he couldn't have done much better? Come on.... >He lost to DB Yep...and he also outplayed DB in every game, game 6 notwithstanding. >He drawed vs DJ So...? Other than human...rather gross human oversights at his level he crushed Deep Junior! >He drawed vs DF Yeah...that was a disappointment, but he agreed to the glasses and that cost him in one game...a game he should have won! > >Not a great record I don't think you or anyone should trivialize such a great player, maybe the best in history!! > >The next thing you know, people will be saying that a computer will never be >able to become the best player in the world at the game "Go" > >In the next 5 years? no >In the next 50? won't even be a COMPARISON between the two. > >Computers are evolving, and humans have nearly, or already reached their limit. Nope....people will evolve with technology or our creations will be our undoing. They will one day inherit the earth...we can't allow that...so man will adapt both physical technology and genetic technology to survive. Or Machine Utopia! Your Choice!
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.