Author: Gerd Isenberg
Date: 10:10:53 08/28/04
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On August 28, 2004 at 12:57:19, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>Hi there, >>> >>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter. >>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker). >>> >>>Best >>>Frank >>> >>>Eugenio wrote: >>> >>>--- >>> >>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito. >>> >>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's >>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I >>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays >>>any public tournaments. >>> >>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to >>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events. >>> >>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused. >>> >>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena. >>> >>>Eugenio Castillo." >> >> >>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology. >>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so. >> >>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove >>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput. >> >>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard >>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He >>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did >>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries. >>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't >>receive for what reasons ever? >> >>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos >>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of >>it's evaluation. >> >>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to >>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no >>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO. >> >>Gerd > > >This way you cant help a collegue! You do the same, already Frank Q did. You try >to blame those who were cheated. This is indecent. Was that really an insult from my side? I was a bit harsh, but i asked some questions and was only aware of the posted assembly at that time. http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?383737 I asked "Did i missed something?" I asked "BTW. Is it legal to disassembly others executables?" > >A guy who committed fraud stated that he had contacted Bob, Frank said, several >times, and who said that Bob didn't answer (!!), but Bob explained that he had >never received a request by Castillo. Yes. > >Do you, Gerd, now want to put Bob and Castillo on equal levels. I simply believe both in that issue. What is the reason that Dann Corbit was involved? > >I must honestly say that you can forget all about a rehabilitation in this case. >I do also feel much sorrow that Frank Q and also you insulted Paul H here in CCC >of something like witchhunt. My reply to Paul Hunter: http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?383861 http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?383864 "Thanks for clarifying this again. So the executable contained a symbol map. Yes, witch hunting really came in my mind too." ... "My apologies to you." >I mean you should apologize instead of publishing >such utter nonsense in your actual message. I mean is this scene so rotten dirty >that you cant feel what this is dirty in your message? Thanks, Gerd
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