Author: martin fierz
Date: 15:19:19 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 12:07:55, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On September 08, 2004 at 07:35:34, martin fierz wrote: > >>On September 08, 2004 at 05:10:25, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>A more interesting thing to consider is the number of chess programmers posting >>>at CTF. Interestingly, the average rating of the programs of frequent CTF >>>posters is higer than those of CCC posters. Just to name a few programmers >>>frequently posting there: Amir Ban, Ed Schroeder, Bruce Moreland, Ulrich Teurke, >>>Andrew Williams, and yours truly. >> >>why is that interesting? who cares what rating these programs have? i respect >>all of these persons as chess programmers, and i like to read their posts on >>chess programming here at CCC. and only here at CCC, and only on the topic of >>chess programming. that's what you people know a lot about. >> >>do you really think that any extremist's views get more relevant after he has >>written a strong chess program? (this is not meant to imply that i consider any >>of the above persons as an extremist; just trying to make a point here...) >> >>does it really make a difference to you whether an antisemitic rant comes from >>an average dumbass or from bobby fischer? in fact, coming from a person equipped >>with a real brain, i find such rants even more disturbing! > >I understand what you are saying. It is not so pleasant to learn that Hitler and >Nazis were Jewish in fact, and yours truly is a "lying Jewish bastard", as >called by a notorious member who wreaked havoc to rgcc before coming to CTF. > >But I don't understand this sudden "holy war" against CTF. There are two >arguments: > >1. I don't want to support CTF by donating to CCC >2. I don't want to be associated with CTF by donating to CCC > >But none of these arguments hold water: > >1. I don't want to support CTF by donating to CCC > >As mentioned in other posts, maintaining CTF incurs only small additional costs, >and those costs are already covered by donations originating from CTF. > >2. I don't want to be associated with CTF by donating to CCC > >By taking that meaning of "associated with CTF", you are already "associated >with CTF", by being a member of CCC and posting to CCC. So your donation to CCC >doesn't change your "association" status. > > >So the question of whether CTF is needed or not, has nothing to do with CCC >donations. It is a seperate discussion, and is apparently brought up here only >by people who have no intention of donating to CCC anyway (reminds me of some of >the complaints of programmers who had no intention to participate in WCCC to >begin with). > >Back to the question of whether CTF is good or not, I would say that despite >some of those people who should be kicked out of there, there are many people >there who you enjoy discussing various issues with. i am sure you are right with your last sentence, but for every one of those who i might enjoy discussing various issues with there are many others there who i do not wish to discuss anything with (there are also such people in CCC of course; but i don't mind reading crappy posts about computer chess while i do mind reading crappy posts on religion/race etc). the whole argument about CTF being "low cost" doesn't convince me. of course it comes at little additional cost if you count the entire expenses for server, bandwidth, 24/7 troubleshooting on CCC and nothing on CTF. but if i did the accounting i'd say that both of these cost half of the fix costs. cheers martin
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