Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 09:53:26 09/16/04
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On September 16, 2004 at 12:52:43, Dann Corbit wrote: >On September 16, 2004 at 07:37:01, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>Your post is a good example of what happens when one jumps to a conclusion >>without taking the minimum amount of effort needed to understand what is really >>going on. > >I disagree completely, also with everyone else. > >It is absolutely clear that both moves win. Neither move can be considered >superior, since winning is the object of the game. It does not matter that one >mate is shorter than the other. In the same way that a 3 move checkmate and a >12 move checkmate both win, either dominating gain of material wins. If the >delaying move caused a loophole that allowed the opponent to escape it would be >different. > >One move cannot be said to be better than the other, from a game theoretical >standpoint. > >Here is analysis by Shredder for the aftermath of both positions: > >Analysis from E:\111alt.epd >9/15/2004 5:39:08 PM Level: 18000 Seconds >Analyzing engine: Shredder 7.04 UCI [d]6k1/p5p1/5p2/2P2Q2/3pN2p/3PbK1P/7P/3q4 w - - >1) Qf1+ Qd1+; id "WAC.1 > Avoid move: > Best move (Shredder 7.04 UCI): Kf3-g2 > Not found in: 5:00:00 > illegal command > 2/2 00:00 3 187 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 3/3 00:00 4 250 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 4/4 00:00 5 312 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 5/5 00:00 6 375 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 6/6 00:00 7 437 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 7/7 00:00 8 500 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 8/8 00:00 9 562 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 9/9 00:00 10 625 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 10/10 00:00 11 687 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 11/11 00:00 12 750 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 12/12 00:00 13 419 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 13/13 00:00 14 451 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 14/14 00:00 15 483 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 15/15 00:00 16 516 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 16/16 00:00 17 548 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 17/17 00:00 18 580 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 18/18 00:00 19 612 -16.63 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ > 19/19- 00:00 38 1.225 -18.13 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 > 19/49 21:31 940.968.572 728.594 -18.13 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 >Qf1xd3 > 20/53+ 1:23:54 3.763.157,307 747.547 -17.88 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 >Qf1xd3 Kg4xh4 Qd3xe4+ Qf5xe4 a7a5 Kh4g3 Be3g5 Qe4xd4 f6f5 Qd4xg7+ Kg8xg7 > 20/53+ 2:36:45 7.088.772,932 753.694 -17.38 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 >Qf1xd3 Kg4xh4 Qd3xe4+ Qf5xe4 a7a5 Kh4g3 Be3g5 Qe4xd4 f6f5 Qd4xg7+ Kg8xg7 > 20/54 4:20:47 11.413.144,284 729.392 -17.37 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 >Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Qf3xh3 Ke5d5 Qh3xh2 Ne4f2 > 21/45- 4:20:55 11.418.759,659 729.392 -17.62 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 >Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Qf3xh3 Ke5d5 Qh3xh2 Ne4f2 > 21/45- 4:20:57 11.420.222,902 729.389 -18.12 Kf3g2 Qd1g1+ Kg2f3 Qg1f1+ Kf3g4 >Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Qf3xh3 Ke5d5 Qh3xh2 Ne4f2 > 9/15/2004 10:39:13 PM, Time for this analysis: 05:00:00, Rated time: 5:00:00 > >[D]6k1/p5p1/5p2/2P2Q2/3pN2p/3PbK1P/7P/5q2 w - - >2) Qf1+ Qd1+; id "WAC.1 > Avoid move: > Best move (Shredder 7.04 UCI): Kf3-g4 > Not found in: 5:00:00 > illegal command > 2/2 00:01 4 2 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 3/3 00:01 6 4 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 4/4 00:01 8 5 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 5/5 00:01 10 7 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 6/6 00:01 12 8 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 7/7 00:01 14 9 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 8/8 00:01 16 11 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 9/9 00:01 18 12 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 10/10 00:01 20 14 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 11/11 00:01 22 15 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 12/12 00:01 24 17 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 13/13 00:01 26 18 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 14/14 00:01 28 19 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 15/15 00:01 30 21 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 16/16 00:01 32 22 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 17/17 00:01 34 24 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 18/18 00:01 36 25 -18.13 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 Be3f4+ >Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g3 Qf1xd3+ Kg3f2 Qd3e3+ Kf2f1 Qe3xe4 > 19/41 00:05 2.295.649 453.416 -18.25 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 > 20/51+ 08:56 418.672.582 781.583 -18.00 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 >Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Be3f4+ Ke5xd4 Qf3xe4+ d3xe4 Bf4xh2 c5c6 Bh2g1+ Kd4d5 g7g6 Kd5c4 >Kg8f7 c6c7 g6g5 c7c8Q > 20/51 09:18 436.679.416 782.864 -18.00 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 >Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Qf3xh3 Ne4d6 Qh3xh2+ Ke5e6 Qh2a2+ Nd6c4 Qa2a6+ Ke6f5 Qa6f6+ Kf5e4 >Qf6c6+ Ke4e5 Qc6xc5+ Ke5e6 g7g5 Ke6d7 Qc5xc4 Kd7e8 > 21/45- 09:32 447.238.539 781.628 -18.25 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 >Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Qf3xh3 Ne4d6 Qh3xh2+ Ke5e6 Qh2a2+ Nd6c4 Qa2a6+ Ke6f5 Qa6f6+ Kf5e4 >Qf6c6+ Ke4e5 Qc6xc5+ Ke5e6 g7g5 Ke6d7 Qc5xc4 Kd7e8 Qc4xd3 > 21/45- 09:35 449.560.969 781.483 -18.75 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Qf5f3 f6f5+ Kg4xf5 >Qe2xf3+ Kf5e5 Qf3xh3 Ne4d6 Qh3xh2+ Ke5e6 Qh2a2+ Nd6c4 Qa2a6+ Ke6f5 Qa6f6+ Kf5e4 >Qf6c6+ Ke4e5 Qc6xc5+ Ke5e6 g7g5 Ke6d7 Qc5xc4 Kd7e8 Qc4xd3 > 21/53 39:12 1.795.204.843 763.312 -22.59 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g4 f6f5+ Kg4g5 f5xe4 d3xe4 a7a5 h3h4 d4d3 >Kg5g4 d3d2 h4h5 > 22/53+ 1:47:57 4.893.801,601 755.582 -22.34 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Ne4f2 Qf1xf2+ Kf4e4 Qf2e3+ Ke4d5 Qe3xd3 c5c6 >Qd3c3 c6c7 d4d3 > 22/55+ 3:26:46 9.504.025,275 766.071 -21.84 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Ne4f2 Qf1xf2+ Kf4e4 Qf2e3+ Ke4d5 Qe3xd3 c5c6 >Qd3c3 c6c7 d4d3 > 22/55 3:27:46 9.552.227,387 766.262 -21.84 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Ne4f2 Qf1xf2+ Kf4e4 Qf2e3+ Ke4d5 Qe3xd3 c5c6 >Qd3c3 c6c7 d4d3 h3h4 d3d2 > 23/47- 3:30:36 9.675.034,794 765.675 -22.09 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Ne4f2 Qf1xf2+ Kf4e4 Qf2e3+ Ke4d5 Qe3xd3 c5c6 >Qd3c3 c6c7 d4d3 h3h4 d3d2 > 23/51- 3:30:54 9.688.915,295 765.705 -22.59 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Ne4f2 Qf1xf2+ Kf4e4 Qf2e3+ Ke4d5 Qe3xd3 c5c6 >Qd3c3 c6c7 d4d3 h3h4 d3d2 > 23/57 4:41:47 12.755.682,432 754.467 -24.37 Kf3g4 Qf1e2+ Kg4xh4 g7g5+ Kh4g3 >Be3f4+ Qf5xf4 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 Qe2f1+ Kf4g4 f6f5+ Kg4g5 f5xe4 d3xe4 d4d3 c5c6 d3d2 >c6c7 > 9/16/2004 3:39:15 AM, Time for this analysis: 05:00:00, Rated time: 10:00:00
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