Author: Tony Hedlund
Date: 07:39:14 10/01/04
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On October 01, 2004 at 10:10:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 01, 2004 at 05:40:19, Tony Hedlund wrote: > >>On October 01, 2004 at 00:43:45, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:52:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:03:19, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 19:59:08, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:30:40, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:02:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Again Crafty lost an Nimzo-Indian with white. When will it change to 1.e4? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It won't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you honestly feel Crafty plays better vs computers with 1.d4? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I find in online games that Crafty does very well with 1.e4 or 1.Nf3 against >>>>>>>computers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The problem is professional book lines in 1. e4 openings... >>>>> >>>>>I see your point. >>>>> >>>>>Would it not be better to supply an opening bookc.bin that would refute many of >>>>>the lines, or at best come out of the opening even? >>>>> >>>>>Playing 1.d4 is simply going to get Crafty in trouble in quite a few of the >>>>>games. You can only play it so many times before learning hurts you instead of >>>>>helping you. >>>>> >>>>>Peter >>>> >>>> >>>>The thing is, they play X games with one computer, so learning ought to fix this >>>>up unless the Nimzo lines are so well plotted that everything it tries fails. >>>> >>>>Making a special SSDF opening book is not something I have time to do. Nor >>>>anyone else I know of. IE Peter has some stuff from the WCCC, but we'd not want >>>>to reveal that via SSDF testing as we will likely play in the next WCCC event >>>>and will need a unknown book for it... >>> >>>The book for SSDF appears to be more or less a generic plain jane book based >>>on top GM games. My own testing with new clean books like this -- it will take >>>at lest about 20 -25 games to really get some "good" learning action. So it >>>may take a little bit of time. >> >>The lrn-files is still empty. Is this ok? Will it take more games for Crafty to >>start learning? Or is the learning stored somewhere else? > > >This is bad news. The file "book.lrn" is an ASCII file that contains all the >"learned" stuff that has been added to book.bin. If book.lrn is empty, learning >is turned off. Can you email me a log.nnn file from a complete game? I can >look and find out what is up. IE learn=0 will turn it off. Or being unable to >write to book.bin will also disable learning... > >The log file will point the problem out... > It's in your mailbox now. Tony > >> >>>I like the fact that Tony is rotating through >>>multiple opponents as opposed to playing 20 against Junior than 20 versus >>>Ruffian etc. >> >>I'm not playing multiple opponents. It will be 40 games against Ruffian 1.0.1 >>and 40 against Deep Junior 8. Hopefully other testers also play with Crafty. >> >>Tony >> >>>IMO, there is no doubt that good hand tuned "secret" book for small swiss 14 >>>round tournaments is vital to surivive. They all appear to be doing it. >>> >>>One area that has seen a noticable chnage over the last 10 years is "opening >>>book preparation" There is so much more information available to everyone and >>>there are good tools to use the data -- all one has to do is to committ the time >>>and the energy to do it. The top professional programs are clearly doing >>>that. Why not , they are the professionals and a great result in one of these >>>reknowned toutnaments will sensales their way. So what if the tournamnet is >>>only 14 games - it will be the headlines to the winner that generates sales. >>>The book usually plays a pivotal role between the top finishers - since the >>>programs are so close to each other anyway.
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