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Subject: Re: SSDF(Crafty 19.17 - Deep Junior 8)A1200, ½-1½, now 2-6

Author: Tony Hedlund

Date: 07:39:14 10/01/04

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On October 01, 2004 at 10:10:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 01, 2004 at 05:40:19, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>
>>On October 01, 2004 at 00:43:45, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:52:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:03:19, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 19:59:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:30:40, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:02:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Again Crafty lost an Nimzo-Indian with white. When will it change to 1.e4?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you honestly feel Crafty plays better vs computers with 1.d4?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I find in online games that Crafty does very well with 1.e4 or 1.Nf3 against
>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The problem is professional book lines in 1. e4 openings...
>>>>>
>>>>>I see your point.
>>>>>
>>>>>Would it not be better to supply an opening bookc.bin that would refute many of
>>>>>the lines, or at best come out of the opening even?
>>>>>
>>>>>Playing 1.d4 is simply going to get Crafty in trouble in quite a few of the
>>>>>games. You can only play it so many times before learning hurts you instead of
>>>>>helping you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The thing is, they play X games with one computer, so learning ought to fix this
>>>>up unless the Nimzo lines are so well plotted that everything it tries fails.
>>>>
>>>>Making a special SSDF opening book is not something I have time to do.  Nor
>>>>anyone else I know of.  IE Peter has some stuff from the WCCC, but we'd not want
>>>>to reveal that via SSDF testing as we will likely play in the next WCCC event
>>>>and will need a unknown book for it...
>>>
>>>The book  for SSDF appears to be more or less a generic plain jane  book based
>>>on top GM games.   My own testing with new clean books like this -- it will take
>>>at lest about 20 -25 games to really get some "good" learning action.   So it
>>>may take a little bit of time.
>>
>>The lrn-files is still empty. Is this ok? Will it take more games for Crafty to
>>start learning? Or is the learning stored somewhere else?
>
>
>This is bad news.  The file "book.lrn" is an ASCII file that contains all the
>"learned" stuff that has been added to book.bin.  If book.lrn is empty, learning
>is turned off.  Can you email me a log.nnn file from a complete game?  I can
>look and find out what is up.  IE learn=0 will turn it off.  Or being unable to
>write to book.bin will also disable learning...
>
>The log file will point the problem out...
>

It's in your mailbox now.

Tony

>
>>
>>>I like the fact that Tony is rotating through
>>>multiple opponents as opposed to playing 20 against Junior than 20 versus
>>>Ruffian etc.
>>
>>I'm not playing multiple opponents. It will be 40 games against Ruffian 1.0.1
>>and 40 against Deep Junior 8. Hopefully other testers also play with Crafty.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>>IMO, there is no doubt that good hand tuned "secret" book for small swiss 14
>>>round tournaments is vital to surivive.  They all appear to be doing it.
>>>
>>>One area that has seen a noticable chnage over the last 10 years is "opening
>>>book preparation"  There is so much more information available to everyone and
>>>there are good tools to use the data -- all one has to do is to committ the time
>>>and the energy to do it.    The top professional programs are clearly doing
>>>that.  Why not , they are the professionals and a great result in one of these
>>>reknowned toutnaments will sensales their way.  So what if the tournamnet is
>>>only 14 games - it will be the headlines to the winner that generates sales.
>>>The book usually plays a pivotal role between the top finishers - since the
>>>programs are so close to each other anyway.



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