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Subject: Re: EVIDENCE That Junior REALLY DID Perform Very Badly In Bilbao

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:49:19 10/13/04

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On October 13, 2004 at 10:55:20, Michael Yee wrote:

>On October 13, 2004 at 10:42:08, Graham Laight wrote:
>>On October 13, 2004 at 10:33:30, Michael Yee wrote:
>
>>>have 1 "bad" (or underperforming) tournament out of 20, i.e., with low
>>>probability. But the rare event *will* (or could) happen at some point.
>>
>>Please see the answer I gave in
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?391399
>>
>>-g
>>
>>>Michael
>
>No offense, but I don't think I understand what your point is. Your simulation
>(or even just a basic probability calculation) shows that a "low" score for an
>engine that is assumed to have a certain strength is a rare event. I don't
>disagree with that. I'm just confused about what conclusions you're trying to
>draw from witnessing a rare event.
>
>Here's how I might put bilbao in perspective: Suppose we are looking at this
>tournament as simply one in a stream of tournaments, and we consider updating
>junior's rating (i.e., strength estimate) in a bayesian way. Then junior's past
>results would weigh much more heavily than this one new result and the rating
>wouldn't change by much.
>
>What would I conclude? Probably that junior had a (slightly) rare result.
>
>Michael


That was my point in picking four coins, flipping each 4 times, and noticing
that one produced 4 heads.  Biased coin or random chance?

p(H+H+H+H) = 1/16

Probability of _one_ of the four programs doing worse than expected was quite
high.  Now we zero in on that one program and conclude it did very badly???




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