Author: Peter Skinner
Date: 13:15:54 10/13/04
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On October 13, 2004 at 12:56:48, George Sobala wrote: >On October 13, 2004 at 11:44:32, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>On October 13, 2004 at 10:58:41, Graham Laight wrote: >> >>>So - the human players at Bilbao (Ruslan Ponomariov, Véselin Topálov and Sergey >>>Karjakin) were simply not sufficiently well motivated, then? >>> >>>-g >> >>Frankly looking at the way the humans played, there was certainly room for vast >>improvement. They played the computers as if they were playing humans. That is >>the wrong thing to do. >> >>If you look at most games, they were of high "tactic" play. This is _exactly_ >>the strength of the computers. In the one game where the human played >>positionally, he made the computer look like a complete patzer. It was >>unfortunate that it was Junior, but it could have _easily_ been any other >>program there. >> >>Put Anand in there instead of Topalov, and the results would have been much >>different. The humans that played are not experienced computer players. I don't >>even think one of them has attended an AEGEON event (I could be wrong about >>this). >> >>In the Karjakin - Junior game, Karjakin played _excellent_ anti-computer chess. >> >>On ICC there are a few GM's that in longer games, just make the machines look >>stupid. It is almost insane how easily they win. There is also an IM on ICC >>named IgorIvanov. He plays my computer all the time (Shredder 8), and even in a >>blitz game (5 3), he can win _easily_. >> >>Peter > >Ok. Lets look at this ... > >IgorIvanov v Crafty: +12 -197 =23 >IgorIvanov v TheBaron +9 -133 =38 > >etc Take Crafty and TheBaron and play roughly 200 games against each at 5/3. Let's if see your results can match those. I have seen GM's on ICC in that same time control play for hours and come out of it with _nothing_. Well not nothing, probably a headache from beating his head against a wall. Peter
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