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Subject: Re: ... IgorIvanov not so good v computers, I think

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 04:37:43 10/14/04

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On October 13, 2004 at 16:15:54, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On October 13, 2004 at 12:56:48, George Sobala wrote:
>
>>On October 13, 2004 at 11:44:32, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>On October 13, 2004 at 10:58:41, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>
>>>>So - the human players at Bilbao (Ruslan Ponomariov, Véselin Topálov and Sergey
>>>>Karjakin) were simply not sufficiently well motivated, then?
>>>>
>>>>-g
>>>
>>>Frankly looking at the way the humans played, there was certainly room for vast
>>>improvement. They played the computers as if they were playing humans. That is
>>>the wrong thing to do.
>>>
>>>If you look at most games, they were of high "tactic" play. This is _exactly_
>>>the strength of the computers. In the one game where the human played
>>>positionally, he made the computer look like a complete patzer. It was
>>>unfortunate that it was Junior, but it could have _easily_ been any other
>>>program there.
>>>
>>>Put Anand in there instead of Topalov, and the results would have been much
>>>different. The humans that played are not experienced computer players. I don't
>>>even think one of them has attended an AEGEON event (I could be wrong about
>>>this).
>>>
>>>In the Karjakin - Junior game, Karjakin played _excellent_ anti-computer chess.
>>>
>>>On ICC there are a few GM's that in longer games, just make the machines look
>>>stupid. It is almost insane how easily they win. There is also an IM on ICC
>>>named IgorIvanov. He plays my computer all the time (Shredder 8), and even in a
>>>blitz game (5 3), he can win _easily_.
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>Ok. Lets look at this ...
>>
>>IgorIvanov v Crafty:  +12 -197 =23
>>IgorIvanov v TheBaron +9 -133 =38
>>
>>etc
>
>
>Take Crafty and TheBaron and play roughly 200 games against each at 5/3.
>
>Let's if see your results can match those. I have seen GM's on ICC in that same
>time control play for hours and come out of it with _nothing_. Well not nothing,
>probably a headache from beating his head against a wall.
>
>Peter

I would score definitely much better at 5/3.
+12 -197 =23 is a horrible result against Crafty.

Michael






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