Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 04:37:43 10/14/04
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On October 13, 2004 at 16:15:54, Peter Skinner wrote: >On October 13, 2004 at 12:56:48, George Sobala wrote: > >>On October 13, 2004 at 11:44:32, Peter Skinner wrote: >> >>>On October 13, 2004 at 10:58:41, Graham Laight wrote: >>> >>>>So - the human players at Bilbao (Ruslan Ponomariov, Véselin Topálov and Sergey >>>>Karjakin) were simply not sufficiently well motivated, then? >>>> >>>>-g >>> >>>Frankly looking at the way the humans played, there was certainly room for vast >>>improvement. They played the computers as if they were playing humans. That is >>>the wrong thing to do. >>> >>>If you look at most games, they were of high "tactic" play. This is _exactly_ >>>the strength of the computers. In the one game where the human played >>>positionally, he made the computer look like a complete patzer. It was >>>unfortunate that it was Junior, but it could have _easily_ been any other >>>program there. >>> >>>Put Anand in there instead of Topalov, and the results would have been much >>>different. The humans that played are not experienced computer players. I don't >>>even think one of them has attended an AEGEON event (I could be wrong about >>>this). >>> >>>In the Karjakin - Junior game, Karjakin played _excellent_ anti-computer chess. >>> >>>On ICC there are a few GM's that in longer games, just make the machines look >>>stupid. It is almost insane how easily they win. There is also an IM on ICC >>>named IgorIvanov. He plays my computer all the time (Shredder 8), and even in a >>>blitz game (5 3), he can win _easily_. >>> >>>Peter >> >>Ok. Lets look at this ... >> >>IgorIvanov v Crafty: +12 -197 =23 >>IgorIvanov v TheBaron +9 -133 =38 >> >>etc > > >Take Crafty and TheBaron and play roughly 200 games against each at 5/3. > >Let's if see your results can match those. I have seen GM's on ICC in that same >time control play for hours and come out of it with _nothing_. Well not nothing, >probably a headache from beating his head against a wall. > >Peter I would score definitely much better at 5/3. +12 -197 =23 is a horrible result against Crafty. Michael
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