Author: Matthew Herman
Date: 18:54:29 01/13/99
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On January 13, 1999 at 10:55:07, Mike Welling wrote: >On January 10, 1999 at 11:22:15, Matthew Herman wrote: > >>Yep I downloaded it, and also have deleted it from my HD.. it has tons of >>general protection faults, its ics interface BITES, it is NOT the most powerful >>db etc.. it has lots of problems and I don't consider it even NEAR Cb7 or Ca4.. >>Lots of hype .. but nothin to support it.. (I think it allows cheating on >>unrated games.. what a waste.. the last thing an ICS needs is to have people >>able to cheat without even opening up a seperate program!!) > >Being very amazed about your message I couldn't resist to reply. >I've also downloaded Chessvision a while ago and in my opinion its a great >package. I've looked pretty much into it and didn't experience any general. >protection fault yet. Also,I do not have any display-problems, however, I read >in the newsgroup 'rec.games.chess.computer that there are problems with it when >you have in your videosettings large fonts selected. > >For me, the interface of Chessvision is far more advanced and user-friendly then >cb7. For example you can create your own desktops with multiple boards, multiple >databaseviews, multiple engines etc.. and save them as sessions. Further, it has >more position-tree facilities and nearly unlimited search capabilities. It keeps >track of all the installed databases the way it should, and maintains one >central player-database with nice options like automatically rating-assignment >to unrated games and replace misspelled players by the correct ones globally. > >But Chessvision is even more than a database-package. As you noticed it also has >an interface for Internet Chess servers. I figured it out myself but Chessvision >absolutely doesn't allow you to use an engine while playing games at these >servers. You can only use them while watching games of others. Due to the >realtime engine-analyis and position-tree information, Chessvision gives me much >more pleasure to watch the Hoogovens games at ICC then with their own interface. > >Ofcourse you need an open mind to accept a new package competing with the >'standard'. You probably spend a lot of money and time in something like cb7 and >do not want to accept anything new which might be better. For those who think >I'm overreacting, just download Chessvision at http://www.microvision.nl and >look for yourself. > >Mike Welling Let me reply .. the part about cheating on ICS servers .. that was before I (or I think most anyone) knew it wasnt allowed in unrated games with chessvision. Secondly the database functions of CB7 and/or ca4 ARE more powerful. The engines interface (as reported by KomputerKorner) only allow the crafties that come with it (not any new or other engines, which is disappointing). Ca4 and Cb7 both give position-tree information and realtime engine analysis (position tree is nothing new). Most of what you mentioned is already in cb7/ca4 and is done better (also i don't have large fonts selected and I got the gp faults). Though who really is going to spend $300 for ChessVision "mega" when you can get CB7 with a 1.1 million game db, 3 issues of CBM for about 50-70$ less.. not to mention CA4 also being alot cheaper.. This piece of software may be useful, but there needs to be a few "fixes", and something a little more innovative before I am going to plunk down 100-300$.. this argument about not wanting to accept something newer because I spend alot of time in cb7 is alot weaker than the Cm6k issue (where cm6k does have a very powerful engine and should compete with the others). Cb7 is the most widely used database program at the top level.. Ca4 is also very widely used.. ChessVision hasn't really brought anything new to the market.. and ics interface is something that isn't that hard to put in and that really is the only "new thing" I could find.. and it is even found in chesspartner4.0026. I am not trying to put down this software.. just shed some light on its claims that it is the "next greatest thing" (or something like that claim was made on the website).. How also is ChessVision "more advanced, and more user-friendly"? Please explain what you are stating ..
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